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#48 ·
Hap MecTweaks said:
I think the initial purpose of the mid-bead was put in play by gun manufacturers to sell more guns to shooters, "fitting themselves" to that stock with the proverbial figure 8 business!

I've watched shooters pick up a gun and adjust their head till they saw the figure 8 then say, this one fits!! Nothing could be further from the truth! One of the reasons it took many thousands of targets shot to become somewhat consistent with a new gun!

There's nothing like a stock that fits a shooter for his personal timing to the shot on a moving target! Even if it has only a single front bead! The mid-bead more than likely has hindered and further confused more shooters than it's helped them become a consistent shot.

HAP
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You may not realize but beads are only one part of a nice fitting stock. As people gain and lose weight, for example, their point of aim can change and the beads can help them adjust accordingly.
I remember too at the nationals one year, the front bead fell off the lead shooters gun in the middle of his last round. No one wanted to tell him. He ended up shooting a 25 without a front bead. Do think then that maybe gun mfrs put front beads on guns, just so they can make more money? Lol
 
#49 ·
Rollin Oswald said:
Two things affect how high your gun shoots - how far the center of the pattern impacts above the gun's point of aim (if you were shooting it like a rifle looking along the surface of the rib).

One is the slope of the rib. Guns designed for trap shooting slope down toward the muzzle, which causes the gun to shoot a few inches high at 35 yards.

The other thing is your eye's distance above the surface of the rib. The higher your eye is above the rib, the higher your gun will shoot. When a shooter sees space between the beads, the gun will shoot higher than if the beads were stacked in a figure-8 pattern. (The eye is slightly above the level of the rib.)

Shooters want their guns to shoot high so the pattern will impact above the gun's point if aim. This allows shooting with the target always remaining visible and avoid having to cover the target with the muzzle to provide the vertical lead required to break it.

The choice of how high shooters want their guns to shoot involves their swing speed to the target and the distance to the target when it's shot; some shooters shoot targets much nearer the house when they are rising faster and want higher shooting guns for that reason.

You will need to experiment to find what works best for you. The way to alter your gun's vertical point of impact (POI) is to vary the height of your comb . The higher the comb (your eye) the higher will be the gun's POI.

To have the same POI from one shot to the next, a consistent gun mount if required. This is achieved only with practice mounting with an empty gun 10 -20 times a day for a couple of weeks. There is no other way to achieve it, and it's IMPORTANT.
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When on a pattern board, how high would be optimal to keep the center of the pattern still most effective? 1-2 inches at 25 yards and keep the target sight picture fully visible?
 
#51 ·
Jaxshooter said:
Once my guns are setup to shoot where I am looking I never check the beads. If you look at the beads when your shooting you miss the target. Get the gun to shoot where you are looking and forget the beads.
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Thats one way to do it, IF you can hold that point as you shoot And if you know exactly what your POI will be.
I cannot. Left eye dominant. Right hand shooter. I line my beads in a figure “8”. when i shoot front bead POA is on the bird and POI is about 18” beyond the target. You can increase POI by increasing the space between the beads.
Im 70 years old and have been shooting since 1964. Vic Reinders taught me to shoot trap. I’m Class A.
 
#52 ·
AusAmateur said:
As a pistol shooter for decades, I really struggled with the whole "bead sight picture" thing. I tried to "line up" the beads by looking at them-that is, by having my eyes focus on them-and then look downrange for the clay.

Disaster. Of course.

Now (and only in the last couple of months) I ignore the beads completely, instead I focus on consistent gun mount, weight distribution on the feet, and ALWAYS look elsewhere than at the beads.

I actually don't know what the beads look like when I hit a clay.
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i’ve never heard of elswhere? What state is that in? Please be more specific. Where is your POA when calling for a target? And what does it take to for you to pull the trigger?
 
#53 · (Edited)
BENCHREST said:
No beads, less distraction. But if you think the silly little beads make you shoot better, good for you... Joe
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You would think that if beads are not needed gun manufacturers would not put them on and save a lot of money. I ve heard second beads are becoming popular again and many mfrs. are adding them on.
i’m glad i have my “Silly Little Beads” on my Silver Pigeon while shooting during a Wind Advisory with gusts up to 50 mph. I shot a 25 at 16 yard trap.
 
#55 ·
3200-man-2 said:
Now "if" I was to use Kim's advise , with her being a champion shooter , she recommends stacking TWO (2) quarters on your rib in back of the back bead and if you can see more than the top half
of the front bead , you need a stock adjustment !

Who in their right mind would argue with that ? Knowing most Trap shooters , like to argue , some ?
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I’d argue that everyone shoots different, and there is no right or wrong way. Personally, I have it so there’s a gap between the top of the mid bead, and the bottom of the front bead, and the clay is the same distance above the front bead as the front bead is from the mid bead. Otherwise too much of my FOV is blocked by the gun and I feel like I can’t hit anything. And in clays, just “feeling” unconfident in a setup is enough to make you not hit targets.

I bet if you ask 10 of the top clay shooters in any one field (sporting, skeet, or trap) you’ll get at LEAST 3 different answers. Maybe not everyone does it totally different from everyone, but there’s several ways all with benefits and drawbacks.
 
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