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#81 ·
for the record, there is no way it take @Rhodesengr 15 sec to shoot from the previous shooter, maybe 5. I was not there that morning, but I've shot with @Rhodesengr several times over the last few years. He just made a mis calc on how long he takes to shoot. Id call rhodes an avg pace shooter. Def not the fastest and I've definitely shot with slower.
 
#83 ·
It’s your game, shoot as you wish.

Super slow and super fast shooters will deter others from shooting with you because it’s a distraction. A trap shooter wants to be super focused, almost dead on the line. When someone takes so long to shoot or goes so quickly that it messes up the other’s mental and physical rhythm, they’re gone.
 
#84 ·
It’s unlikely You’re taking 15 seconds unless Bigmouth is actually timing You, and that’s doubtful. It’s not for Me to express what You should and shouldn’t do, but, that guy has no reason to take it upon himself to verbalize his opinion. My guess is He’s unhappy with a lot of other shooters for other various reasons……just that kinda guy, everything gets under his skin.
I shoot with a fella that shoots pretty slow, He’s well known in our league & other shooters avoid shooting with Him, I get that…….I’ve squaded up with Him numerous times and it goes like this,
Boom, boom, boom, boom, pause & repeat. It’s got a cadence all its own. It’s supposed to be fun.
Short answer, no, it didn’t need to be said.
SW
Bob
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#85 ·
I've seen people wiggle their ass, twist and turn, adjust hat and glasses put the gun up and take another 5 seconds. I prefer not to shoot with them. I would rather shoot by myself. The guy that questioned you has the problem. He should decide what squad to shoot with. Shoot straight
 
#86 ·
Funny but true story. When I practice I use Garmin most of the time. Most of the time I will have a trap to myself. There have been several times where someone has insisted that I shoot with them even though I they are fully aware that I will use Garmin. They still choose to shoot with me even though I use Garmin. Every single person has come off the line with me actually thanking me for slowing them down because they ended up shooting better than they would have without me using Garmin.
 
Discussion starter · #87 ·
abby1 said:
He should decide what squad to shoot with.
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The "system" if I can call it that is different at this particular club. The machine is not controlled by tokens like the other places I go to shoot. There are no pre=determined groups or squads. There is usually only one of two houses set up and running. There is a group of people (lately only a few) and we put out names down on a signup sheet. If I put my name down on a blank squad, then anyone else signing up for that squad can clearly see I am already signed up. If the guy in question signs up after me, then it is on him.

There is another side to this. Sometimes rank beginners show up. This was the case last weekend. If it is their very first time, I would rather coach them than shoot on that squad because there are usually long delays because often they don't know how to even function their gun or they have cheap SA's that jam. I spent a lot of time with one of the newbies last weekend and he was very grateful. So I do understand the issue from both sides. By their second squad, they are usually fine to shoot with.
 
#88 ·
wihunter said:
I believe I shot with the father and son alf174 shot with in WI. They were the worst squad a person could shoot with. Plus the son had a lot of FTF. Yes I should of called him on the FTF but didn't. I was disappointed that the father didn't say something about the FTF or the shoot pace. The father was a AAA shooter he should no the rules. I also feel I didn't pay for there target. Let them shoot but I should of explained the rules.
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I looked it up and they were class B and D shooters out of IL. Dad is still shooting.
 
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#89 ·
The folks at my club know my 'rhythm' - I wait for the last shooters bird (Hopefully pieces) to hit the ground before I call.
I just don't like the eye distractions.
On some squads, it seems to slow the 'pace', but I've never had anyone say anything to my face anyway. (after this post, we'll see)
We have one fellow who calls so fast, the machine hasn't had a chance to cycle.
Do your own thing.
 
#90 ·
Well, I'll chime in. The only time I hold up shooting, is when the person before me misses a target, I'll let the target hit the ground, before mounting my gun.
 
#92 ·
Rhodesengr said:
I am just curious how others would react or handle this situation. One of my shooting clubs has a small Trap operation going on Saturday mornings. One house open. It is open to members and the public. Lately the turnout has been pretty low. Usually about 3 or 4 members early on and sometimes a few nonmembers show up. I am a member and have been going regularly for 4 years. The member regulars are kind of cliquey. One of these members took me aside and said something to the effect of "You know, I really don't like shooting with you. You shoot too slow and it messes up my rhythm."

I am aware I am not the fastest to get my shot off. I take some time to get my eyes settled where I want my focus. I've never timed it but I doubt it is more that 15 seconds or so. I am aware that experienced Trap shooters like to maintain a consistent rhythm.

I think this guy is out of line and should be more supportive to help me improve rather than saying he doesn't want to shoot with me. It's a tricky social dynamic with the core members vs everyone else. I am a member but probably not in the clique. I don't think there is a time limit for getting your shot off in Trap.

Just interested in other folks reactions.
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So just to get a feel for 15 seconds I just set the stopwatch on my phone and ran 15 seconds a few times and to me it does border on too long. Ultimately once you get on your post you should have a pre shot routine that allows you to efficiently shoot that post without too much over focusing.

I would revise my pre shot routine and hopefully shave 5 seconds off of that would probably help a lot not only for you but the folks you shoot with.
 
#94 ·
I don't really care how long someone takes to shoot. I have shot with chair/wneelchair shooters who need extra time sometimes. Gun malfunctions, trap malfunctions, broken targets, and so on. It's all part of the game!
 
#97 ·
In NSSA, a slow squad who holds up the shooting times of successive squads is rerouted to an empty field, a penalty that affects all squad members and other squads also. End of story. As I say to all readers of this site, "Learn to shoot".
 
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John Jr said:
This isn't directed at the original poster but just a curious thought. Do we tell shooters who disrupt the rhythm of the squad and hurt their feelings or do we stop squading with them and make them feel like outcast? I myself would rather someone man up and tell that I annoy them than treat me like a leper.
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but even better would be to say something like "We'd like to get your speed up. How about I watch you shoot and see why you are on the slow side." The guy in question will happily coach newbies but not offer to coach me. This is why I am saying I sense an unfriendly undercurrent rather than a congenial fellow member trying to help. I mentioned this above. I have never said no to offers of assistance.
 
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