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#61 ·
cooper57m said:
i don't like bullies, and that's what he's doing, in a subtle way. My reaction would have been, "You know, I was thinking that you guys shoot too fast but I'm trying to be more tolerant and kind so I decided not to say anything, but since you brought it up - - -"

They have no right to tell you how to shoot. They aren't anyone I would be concerned about whether they liked me or not. You do you.
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The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, in other words the one guy should try to shoot with the squad tempo, not the other way around.
 
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shannonsplace said:
It's a multi-situational question. If you truly take 15 seconds, as a club member I wouldn't shoot with you but I wouldn't bitch about it either. You're a member, you paid for the targets, it's a recreational setting so shoot. If we were at a registered event I would be having a conversation with shoot management insisting they give you your money back and send you on your way.
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"I would be having a conversation with shoot management insisting they give you your money back and send you on your way." - I have seen this happen.
 
#63 ·
12shot said:
Next time tell him when you start paying for my targets i will speed up, just my opinion. Or try not squading on his squad if possible.
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Maybe he needs to pay for the other 4 guys line fees since he's the one causing the issue..
 
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Don't let anyone or anything other than seeing the target, moving smoothly to the target and breaking target ,get into your head
People do this on occasion, don't let it bother you. Remember you're pointing a shotgun not aiming. Focus on your fundamentals ,set up ,eye focus, moving to and swinging through the target, staying in the gun. Good luck!
 
#65 ·
I don't see how people can take an open practice this seriously. If you wish to shoot a that pace because you are comfortable then you are allowed to do so. You paid for your targets and have found a way that you like to shoot. The gentleman that said that can either deal with it, pay for your targets, or find a new club. Good luck with your future shooting endeavors everyone!!!
 
#66 ·
alf174 said:
I squaded with a father-son pair at the WI state shoot a few years back. They were performing the 4H "start with firearm pointed straight up and rotate down" sequence which approached 10 seconds each. That day I was okay with it but my shootin' buddy was livid - reflecting back I can't blame him and would not want to squad with that pair again.
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I shot an ATA event couple years back and the shooter to my left was doing that routine, barrel almost straight up and slowly bring it back down, seemed like it was forever for that person to shoot, not sure how many seconds it actually was but there is a thing about being on a squad that has rhythm, and I have also been on a squad that was hard to keep up and I have always thought I was a quicker shooter.......
 
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#67 ·
If your pace is bothering him, he isn't concentrating nearly well enough on his own targets. As humans we like to blame our problems on someone else. Yes, you paid for the targets and can shoot them any way you like. If you are taking too long you may be affecting your own concentration.

Many people think it is a matter of life & death, but it is neither. Take the time you need but be aware of habits that may hold you back.

Chuck
 
#70 ·
I understand those who talk about the rhythm of a squad and yes, it's a real thing. I also understand those who take a little longer to get their concentration and focus going. As a guy I shoot with (he shoots fast) once told somebody I was around, "when it's your turn to shoot, you own it. take all the time you need." I agree with that too.
 
#71 ·
Rhodesengr said:
yes that is the situation. We were mostly shooting with only two or three in the squad.
I appreciate everyone's responses. A lot of you all focused on the 15 second number. I said twice, I don't know that it I really average 15 seconds. I probably should not have mentioned an actual number without actually measuring it which I will next weekend. I certainly do prep while other are shooting. My 725 is open and loaded, I close it when the guy before me says pull. So my time taken is just to mount, set my focus and call. It is definitely difficult to be ready when there are only 2 or 3 guys in the squad which is often the case.

I will just avoid that guy. If he puts himself on a squad I already signed up for, then it's on him.
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I can't speak for how squad rhythm plays out at an ATA event. I'm a casual shooter but do shoot regularly. Even I can agree that if a person takes excessively long to go through their process to shoot can be a bit annoying. Likewise, I have shot with folks who I felt were excessively fast and had me wondering if I was "that guy" because I wasn't fast enough. Frankly, I tried to keep up but it made me feel rushed to do so. I've never been told that I shoot slow so I just let it go.
With the club I shoot at most, rarely do I end up on a short squad. But, when I go to another local club, it's often just 2 or 3 of us on the line. IMO in that scenario everyone needs to just accept the situation for what it is. I much prefer shooting with a full squad. If it's just a casual fun/practice night at your club, my advice would be don't drag your feet but also don't rush. Do what it is you are there to do. Be safe and have fun
 
#72 ·
jk80 said:
Everyone always says "you paid for the targets". So did four other guys! Like others said, if you're really taking that long to shoot a target you're probably costing yourself a target or two. If you find people avoiding you on squads you might want to rethink your timing. I shot 200 targets in a shootoff behind a shooter that took an incredible amount of time to shoot each target. Thank God the next night when re squaded I was elsewhere and didn't have to go through that again. No one should have to put up with that.
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So you broke 200 straight (as well as the slow shooter) and you feel the need to complain about it? Must’ve been really awful…
 
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Justin L. said:
So you broke 200 straight (as well as the slow shooter) and you feel the need to complain about it? Must’ve been really awful…
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You bet!!! It took the other shooter between 30 to 45 seconds when it was his turn. We both broke 200 in the clay target championship and 200 more that night in shoot offs. I only had to shoot off on a squad with him but was directly behind him and IT SUCKED!!!!!
 
#74 ·
There's a guy named Bud that works for Wenig.
Unfortunately I was in a shootoff with him.
I wouldent get outta the electric chair to squad with him.
Bang, bang,bang , wait,wait, wait, wait some more, scratch your butt, call in to see what's on the menu at the casino,have a smoke, check your junk email and when you've given up he will shoot.
 
#75 ·
I just timed myself sayiing the " Our Father " ( and I'm not even religious ) .. 9.89 seconds
If it takes you longer to get your eyes focused you may want to get them checked.

I drink my first beer every night after work in less than 15 seconds.
 
#77 ·
I believe I shot with the father and son alf174 shot with in WI. They were the worst squad a person could shoot with. Plus the son had a lot of FTF. Yes I should of called him on the FTF but didn't. I was disappointed that the father didn't say something about the FTF or the shoot pace. The father was a AAA shooter he should no the rules. I also feel I didn't pay for there target. Let them shoot but I should of explained the rules.
 
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Rhodesengr said:
I am just curious how others would react or handle this situation. One of my shooting clubs has a small Trap operation going on Saturday mornings. One house open. It is open to members and the public. Lately the turnout has been pretty low. Usually about 3 or 4 members early on and sometimes a few nonmembers show up. I am a member and have been going regularly for 4 years. The member regulars are kind of cliquey. One of these members took me aside and said something to the effect of "You know, I really don't like shooting with you. You shoot too slow and it messes up my rhythm."

I am aware I am not the fastest to get my shot off. I take some time to get my eyes settled where I want my focus. I've never timed it but I doubt it is more that 15 seconds or so. I am aware that experienced Trap shooters like to maintain a consistent rhythm.

I think this guy is out of line and should be more supportive to help me improve rather than saying he doesn't want to shoot with me. It's a tricky social dynamic with the core members vs everyone else. I am a member but probably not in the clique. I don't think there is a time limit for getting your shot off in Trap.

Just interested in other folks reactions.
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I can understand your feelings and his.
I wasn’t there maybe he was just being honest with you.

One suggestion I would make is if possible don’t shoot with him, try and find others that you feel comfortable shooting with and enjoy shooting with you. I am sure that you have shot on squads that have a good rythum and it just seems right and you all have a good time and your scores usually reflect that.

I will be honest there are a few shooters that I try to avoid shooting with and I am sure that is a two sided coin, meaning there are some who probably don’t like shooting with me.

I try to respect others when shooting, but there always seems to be that one guy out there that no one likes shooting with. Not saying you are that guy.

The main thing is shoot your game. You paid for your targets and you should be able to enjoy yourself.

If you take this game to serious than you won’t have any enjoyment out of it.
 
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Rhodesengr said:
I think this guy is out of line and should be more supportive to help me improve rather than saying he doesn't want to shoot with me.
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I'm afraid our whole country is getting way to touchy feely.
In my opinion no one is obligated to be supportive or help you improve, that's entirely up to them. At least he took you aside instead of dressing you down in front of everyone.
The next thread will be about someone giving too much unwanted advice and to mind their own business.
Kumbaya, hallelujah and holy crap!
Man up, take the advice given or ignore it, and work on your game. Only you can improve it.
 
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Passport said:
Maybe he needs to pay for the other 4 guys line fees since he's the one causing the issue..
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Last I checked it's a free country if he wants to shoot slow he can I personally would probably shoot even slower If I could remember to do it every time until the other guy learned to mind his own business I shoot with a champion shooter on my squad and he shoots trap slower than the rest of the squad and I enjoy it.
 
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