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#23 ·
I have loaded nothing but PROMO in my short history of shotgun reloading. Dug through my records and found an invoice where I paid $84.75 for an 8# jug of PROMO. I see that it's available from 4 different vendor right now. From $255-$313 per jug.

I guess I shouldn't complain-it's available.

LHS
 
#24 ·
I used to load Promo and had no complaints about it's performance. I didn't mind that one had to check the powder drop for each batch. What got me was that as I would reload, the vibration of my loader (MEC 9000) would allow Promo to separate by density, thus changing the burn rate fairly significantly as one continued to reload. I did learn to shake the powder bottle of the reloader every five shells or so to keep the powder from separating, but that was a pain.
 
#26 ·
I would hazard a guess that Promo starts as Red Dot and doesn't meet the parameters for a canister powder due to burn rate, density or perhaps energy. Therefore they blend different lots that are close enough to Red Dot that it falls within their criteria. With factory ammo, they merely test the lot for burn rate and other criteria and load accordingly.
 
#28 ·
Over several decades, Red Dot or Promo are the only powders I have ever used for trap loads through a number of progressive and not so progressive machines. The same load for singles, dubs and handicap. Targets don't know the difference. The only negative issue occurred once when a shot bag string magically ended up in a powder drop tube and a "lot" of shells had to be dismantled. By volume, different amounts of each are required to get the same weight and that's easily addressed. KISS.
 
#29 ·
Alliance does not, in fact cannot chemically blend the ta
G ends of the VA
Riots powders they use to make prom. Promo is a mixture, not a solution. Thus mechanical vibration can and will cause Pomo to separate by density. I loaded200 hundred shells and set every 5th shell aside. When chronographs, velocities ranged fro 1130 fps to 1280 fish. I repeated the experiment with the exception that I shook the powder bottle after 5 shells. Velocities ranged from 1135 fps to 1155 fps. I believe that validates the theory that mechanical vibration will cause Promo to separate based on density. The actual effect will vary based on what tag ends are used. If they are close in density, then the impact of separation will be less pronounced.
 
#30 ·
flybyknight said:
Alliance does not, in fact cannot chemically blend the ta
G ends of the VA
Riots powders they use to make prom. Promo is a mixture, not a solution. Thus mechanical vibration can and will cause Pomo to separate by density. I loaded200 hundred shells and set every 5th shell aside. When chronographs, velocities ranged fro 1130 fps to 1280 fish. I repeated the experiment with the exception that I shook the powder bottle after 5 shells. Velocities ranged from 1135 fps to 1155 fps. I believe that validates the theory that mechanical vibration will cause Promo to separate based on density. The actual effect will vary based on what tag ends are used. If they are close in density, then the impact of separation will be less pronounced.
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Wondering how much you've had to drink.
And if you could precisely tell us how Alliant does their blending process?
Thanks.
 
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