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I have heard that it was. Promo is readily available, only in 8 lb. About 50-75 dollars cheaper then Red Dot. Data seems to be the same on the Alliant website.

Powder Valley is having a sale, with free hazmat. Might be a good time to get some.
 
Red Dot data and Promo data are the same. Promo has the same burn rate as Red Dot, but different density, meaning you have to walk your way into the right bushing by weighing your powder drops. Also, in the past, Alliant did not guarantee lot-to-lot consistency of Promo so you may have to change bushings when moving to a different lot of the powder. I recall seeing someone from Alliant here (or elsewhere) say Promo primarily was made from overruns of American Select.
 
I have heard that it was. Promo is readily available, only in 8 lb. About 50-75 dollars cheaper then Red Dot. Data seems to be the same on the Alliant website.

Powder Valley is having a sale, with free hazmat. Might be a good time to get some.
With loads I have tested, I would say it’s closer to American Select than Red Dot. I have attached a couple loads for comparative purposes.
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The 2019 Alliant guide lists Red Dot and Promo using identical components produce identical results for 12 ga 9/8oz.

Pheasantmaster's Proving Worksheet for Promo nearly matches the 2019 Alliant guide specs regarding pressure for 17 gr, 9742 psi vs 10,000 psi (the latter is probably rounded off). A difference of only 258 psi. Regarding the Worksheet velocity and the system PR measures velocity with, if one subtracts about 35 fps, the result is about what is published, 1145 fps.

Pheasantmaster's Red Dot Worksheet shows 933 higher PSI vs Guide published using 17 gr with a "somewhat" higher velocity. The 933 PSI increase is significant IMO.

There's been posts here about the difference between original Black capped Red Dot vs the new Red capped jugs. Alliant states they didn't change the formula but did change the manufacture process. Many have been finding higher PSI and velocity with the Red cap version. One poster created test loads for each version and sent them in, which confirmed what he suspected. The results are in the Reloading/Lab Tested thread.

It will be interesting to see if Alliant keeps their existing parallel data for Red Dot / Promo, creates separate data, or makes a change with Promo.
 
Promo ( Red Dot's Dirty Little Sister ) was my primary target powder for a good while but,I have not been able to get it from my primary supply chain for some time now. Alliant has said you can interchange Red Dot data. The problem is is has a different density so the same bushings are not applicable. As Nebs pointed out It also varies from Lot to Lot. I always weighed each new Lot when I bought a jug.
 
An explanation from Alliant. It took a while to find.
"We do not schedule manufacture of Promo because we do not "manufacture" it. When we manufacture a batch of powder for a company that is manufacturing ammo we do not always hit their burn speed spec dead on. We can attach a lab report to the shipment that says use 1/2 grain more or 1/2 grain less. It is no big deal. When you buy factory ammo you don't care exactly how much powder is in it. You want to know that it does what the box says. When we make Red Dot or American select, or ..., we cannot put Post Its on each jug that say use 1/2 grain more or 1/2 grain less. It HAS to BE Red Dot or American Select, or ... It is a chemical manufacturing process. Sometimes we end up with powder that is not quite Red Dot or not quite American Select, or not quite... We can blend these batches with other powder to get a specific burn rate. Red Dot has been a 12 gauge target load standard for many, many years. Lots of people use it and there is lots of published data for it. We blend Promo to get the same burning speed as Red Dot. This means you can use the same load data as Red Dot. However, different batches of Promo are blended from different powders. This means the density MAY, or MAY NOT, be the same as Red Dot. When we accumulate sufficient quantities of powders than can be blended to make Promo, we do."
 
An explanation from Alliant. It took a while to find.
"We do not schedule manufacture of Promo because we do not "manufacture" it. When we manufacture a batch of powder for a company that is manufacturing ammo we do not always hit their burn speed spec dead on. We can attach a lab report to the shipment that says use 1/2 grain more or 1/2 grain less. It is no big deal. When you buy factory ammo you don't care exactly how much powder is in it. You want to know that it does what the box says. When we make Red Dot or American select, or ..., we cannot put Post Its on each jug that say use 1/2 grain more or 1/2 grain less. It HAS to BE Red Dot or American Select, or ... It is a chemical manufacturing process. Sometimes we end up with powder that is not quite Red Dot or not quite American Select, or not quite... We can blend these batches with other powder to get a specific burn rate. Red Dot has been a 12 gauge target load standard for many, many years. Lots of people use it and there is lots of published data for it. We blend Promo to get the same burning speed as Red Dot. This means you can use the same load data as Red Dot. However, different batches of Promo are blended from different powders. This means the density MAY, or MAY NOT, be the same as Red Dot. When we accumulate sufficient quantities of powders than can be blended to make Promo, we do."

Outstanding post and information. Tells us how Promo comes about.
As a guy with some higher end scales, I've used a boat load of Promo.
 
I'm wondering if it is a mix of blended powders, would the density change within the batch while you are loading if you get settling, etc. Would be no problem to benchmark/weigh at the beginning, but if it is a blended powder would there be variability within the can that would require periodic checking while you are loading a batch of shells?
 
I'm wondering if it is a mix of blended powders, would the density change within the batch while you are loading if you get settling, etc. Would be no problem to benchmark/weigh at the beginning, but if it is a blended powder would there be variability within the can that would require periodic checking while you are loading a batch of shells?
Rest assured that there is no way the small differences in densities would result in powder separating during anything resembling normal use.

Heck, I have a hard enough time separating out all the shot from a load where I forgot a wad, and that's a very substantial density difference.
 
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