I ran across these YouTube videos, on Facebook. I really like the 3 bullet drill for an eye exercise. I also like the light drill to keep the gun mounting exercise to keep a consistent mount practice at home for the trap house hold.
Gill Ash and training videos
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Remember shooting next to Gil back in the late nineties. Thinking to myself, “this guy teaches other people to shoot and gets paid for it???” Wow!
A friend of mine from SD that is a non confrontational gentle giant took lessons from him about 5/6 years ago. Called me up and said he walked off from the lesson or he was going to do Gil bodily harm.
I couldn’t stop laughing picturing that.
A friend of mine from SD that is a non confrontational gentle giant took lessons from him about 5/6 years ago. Called me up and said he walked off from the lesson or he was going to do Gil bodily harm.
I couldn’t stop laughing picturing that.
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Pretty simple advice. You can focus on the target and see the lead at the same time, and you should strive to make as straight a line as possible to the second target without dropping the barrel 2 or 3 feet to recover. Ash has always been a simple coach/teacher. Not a fan, but what the heck.
Bob, how dare you offer some no brainer advice to newbies!
Bob, how dare you offer some no brainer advice to newbies!
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Your friend isn't the only one I've heard say something like that.
Actually, he coached the previous years NSCA National Champion, Zach Kienbaum.
When he was in his early teens, Zach spent a fair bit of time taking lessons with Gil, and unlike many of the things some of you are saying, my statement is a fact. I was there right alongside him, at Bruce and Billie Barsotti’s River Road Sporting Clays marveling at this giant, soft spoken, well-mannered teenager who shot a K-80 and refused to change his pair of .020 chokes.
I’m not saying that Gil coached him to the National championship, but even National champions have to start somewhere.
As to saying Gil can’t shoot, you may need to qualify your statement to “doesn’t shoot tournament scores”, as again I can personally attest to many, many dead doves, ducks, pigeons he dropped in the fields of Mexico, while we shot side by side. I’ve also seen him hit many long, difficult shots while demonstrating how to do it or just shooting for fun. OK, he’s not a tournament shooter, he’s a teacher/coach. His wife Vickie, a fabulous lady was Lady NSCA champion. Some get a lot from their teaching, some don’t.
Yes, he has a personality that wears thin on many, but it’s a BIG personality. I haven’t spent any time with Gil for many years but over the years I’ve known and known of, many shooters who, like Zach, got started with Gil and moved on from there. No, he doesn’t coach the high-end, champion shooters but focuses on reaching the everyday, regular shooter who wants to get better. Probably a much larger and more lucrative market anyway.
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It's a special camera devised by Sunrise video , the late owners name escapes me. It's supposed to show you what the shooter sees.
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No Gil did not coach Zach to be a champion. Poor guy has been close but no cigar in the biggest tournaments for a while. We used to joke the only thing certain was that ZK was gonna be RU. Zach has been "working" more like consulting with Anthony Matarese since he actually started winning the big stuff.
Todd Hitch has a similar story as he took a lesson with Gil then the better shooters swooped in and got Todd in touch with Cherry and Seay. If you want to anger Todd's dad off then call Todd a Gil Ash student. I used to do it all the time as a running joke.
Unteaching Gil's terrible advice is a cottage industry for sporties coaches.
Edit: Derrick Mein won NSCA Nationals in 2020 and so is the current champ.
Also edited swear words. My apologies.
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I have shot with Todd a couple of times, good kid. Scott is pretty funny as well. Didn't know that Todd took a lesson from Ash, I'll have to needle him a little about it next time we talk.
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Scott will correct me if I am wrong but I believe Todd did a one day clinic with Ash fairly early in his career. Last Scott and I spoke about it, prior to Covid, I believe Scott would attribute Tom Seay as Todd's primary coach. That may have changed so might as well get the info straight from Scott.
The Hitches are great people and a credit to the game for sure.
You quoted me before I could correct myself...lol, now I’m shooting trap and my “sportie” friends would tell me I’m paying more attention to trap than clays and this is the result.
BTW, I did shoot my first 100 straight in singles a couple of months ago but it wasn’t a result of watching Gil’s video; I couldn’t quite follow what he was getting at there...
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That makes all of us, haha, I don't know how anyone could follow poor Gil. Congratulations on your 100 straight. A wonderful achievement!
There are so many good coaches out there. Not everyone needs the very top coach and there are many coaches in Schultz/Targetline, Wooley/Cherry, and Carlisle/Matarese family of coaches, to name the largest umbrellas of coaches that produce champions. There are a few outliers but I bet many, many top shots can trace their styles to one of those umbrella groups of coaches.
In trap, aside from Leo Harrison, I really respect Phil Kiners knowledge of the visual game. Dr. Colo spoke highly of Phil and that holds a lot of water with me!
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I'd love to hear that episode. I'd also love to see the long range ballistics trapshootign knowledge be applied to the sporties game.
I don't know if the sporties have anything to give trap?
Well my take is different. I have had lessons from some of the top sporting clays shooters. They were able to shoot just not able to teach.
I consider their videos as wonderful for beginner and intermediate shooters. I think someone trying to get those extra few birds to get into Master class needs to hand pick a coach that can work with his/her style of shooting and then take multiple lessons.
I know this is a trap web site and I would only recommend a dedicated trap shooter taking lessons from a dedicated trap instructor.
John
I consider their videos as wonderful for beginner and intermediate shooters. I think someone trying to get those extra few birds to get into Master class needs to hand pick a coach that can work with his/her style of shooting and then take multiple lessons.
I know this is a trap web site and I would only recommend a dedicated trap shooter taking lessons from a dedicated trap instructor.
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I think Gil is entertaining and makes some good points. He definitely overstates his ability by his actual words or inference. I took a half day clinic many years ago as an intermediate shooter, and they paired me with some newer shooters and Vicki. Vicki could not hit the targets, and said she hadn't been practicing. She would have me demonstrate the shots for the other guys! In 3 or 4 hours I probably shot 60 shells. I thought they were interesting and likeable couple, but certainly I didn't feel I got anything that I found helpful that day. I do think his books are a nice quick read, and of modest help. I absolutely agree with what black and gold says above. He may be a western PA guy like me with a name like that!
Real classy. A bunch of trap shooters gossiping like a bunch of old women and bashing an instructor. I have better things to do with my time. Keep it classy.
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Crossdresser:
expert on shooting.
Did it ever occur to you that many here participate in multiple shotgun disciplines?
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Did it ever occur to you that many here participate in multiple shotgun disciplines?
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