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#21 ·
I have been using the basicly the same load since I started loading over 30 years ago. the complete reloading manual for the 12 gauge, is what I am going by, rem or aa hull, rem or win primer ,fig 8 or aa wadd,
any where from 16 -19 grains of 700x 0r redot. have I used federal primers ,yep, worked great cant allways find them. this is why I picked this recipe ,I can switch components back and forth with no problems at all.i use what is cheapist and what I can find localy. I now use promo ,switched over again with no problems at all ,oh the promo drops a whole .5 grain hevier with the same bushing than reddot, big deal, I aint gonna lose any sleep over it. like I have said before some folks should not be reloading
 
#22 · (Edited)
redfin1956 said:
I have been using the basicly the same load since I started loading over 30 years ago. the complete reloading manual for the 12 gauge, is what I am going by, rem or aa hull, rem or win primer ,fig 8 or aa wadd,
any where from 16 -19 grains of 700x 0r redot. have I used federal primers ,yep, worked great cant allways find them. this is why I picked this recipe ,I can switch components back and forth with no problems at all.i use what is cheapist and what I can find localy. I now use promo ,switched over again with no problems at all ,oh the promo drops a whole .5 grain hevier with the same bushing than reddot, big deal, I aint gonna lose any sleep over it. like I have said before some folks should not be reloading
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This is a perfect example of someone who has no clue and should NEVER reload.
Below is the Alliant reloading data on Red Dot powder. MAX load of Red Dot as everyone can clearly see is 18 gr, yet this gentleman advocates 16 to 19 gr!
No where is 19 gr accepted!
The only correct part of his horrible post is, "HE SHOULDN'T RELOAD!"

MG
 
#27 ·
mg1polo said:
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Well, a Fig. 8 wad and WAA12 are both
1 1/8th oz wads. What other shot charge could he be using with those wads?
Come on now, this is ridiculous,

MG
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Well, this is a matter of interpretation. I interpreted his post as referring to Figure 8-stye and AA-style wad,s which include the Figure 8 style 1 oz. TGT wad and the 1 oz. Win AA type wad. He was never really specific about the other details. If he steps forward and specifies 1 1/8 oz. loads, I am in total agreement with you.
 
#29 ·
Nebs said:
Well, this is a matter of interpretation. I interpreted his post as referring to Figure 8-stye and AA-style wad,s which include the Figure 8 style 1 oz. TGT wad and the 1 oz. Win AA type wad. He was never really specific about the other details. If he steps forward and specifies 1 1/8 oz. loads, I am in total agreement with you.
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Well, all I can say is this, A figure 8 wad is not a TGT12 and a WAA12 is not a
WAA12SL. Four completly different wads, with completly different applications.
Everyone must draw there own conclusions. Mine is, that guy has NO business reloading!

MG
 
#30 ·
Nebs said:
Well, this is a matter of interpretation. I interpreted his post as referring to Figure 8-stye and AA-style wad,s which include the Figure 8 style 1 oz. TGT wad and the 1 oz. Win AA type wad. He was never really specific about the other details. If he steps forward and specifies 1 1/8 oz. loads, I am in total agreement with you.
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Better read again below. He did not say style but specifically, fig 8 or AA wad. Nothing about style.


redfin1956 said:
I have been using the basicly the same load since I started loading over 30 years ago. the complete reloading manual for the 12 gauge, is what I am going by, rem or aa hull, rem or win primer ,fig 8 or aa wadd,
any where from 16 -19 grains of 700x 0r redot. have I used federal primers ,yep, worked great cant allways find them. this is why I picked this recipe ,I can switch components back and forth with no problems at all.i use what is cheapist and what I can find localy. I now use promo ,switched over again with no problems at all ,oh the promo drops a whole .5 grain hevier with the same bushing than reddot, big deal, I aint gonna lose any sleep over it. like I have said before some folks should not be reloading
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#31 ·
In the case of your 28 gauge loads with AAHS hulls, 20/28 powder and the Claybuster wads they have loads listed for the Winchester primers so why would you consider paying twice as much for the Remington primers. You are just making things way too hard.
 
#32 ·
pheasantmaster said:
Better read again below. He did not say style but specifically, fig 8 or AA wad. Nothing about style.
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I don't need to read it again. Because he said "aa wad" and did not say, specifically, the WAA12 wad, I was able to infer he might be referring to all versions of the AA wad, not just the 1 1/8 oz. version. And, because of the way he referred to the AA wad, I was able to interpret him to mean something similar by his reference to the "fig 8," and not specifically to the 1 1/8 oz. "Figure 8," and was referring instead to Figure 8-style wads, which includes the 1 oz. TGT. People are free to interpret his words in any way that is reasonable under the English language. I believe his statement is susceptible to the interpretation I have given it. I also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and seldom infer the worst.

And I believe I was clear in saying if, in fact, he meant 1 1/8 oz. loads,, I fully agreed with mg1polo, that guy is a menace to society.
 
#33 ·
Nebs said:
I don't need to read it again. Because he said "aa wad" and did not say, specifically, the WAA12 wad, I was able to infer he might be referring to all versions of the AA wad, not just the 1 1/8 oz. version. And, because of the way he referred to the AA wad, I was able to interpret him to mean something similar by his reference to the "fig 8," and not specifically to the 1 1/8 oz. "Figure 8," and was referring instead to Figure 8-style wads, which includes the 1 oz. TGT. People are free to interpret his words in any way that is reasonable under the English language. I believe his statement is susceptible to the interpretation I have given it. I also tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and seldom infer the worst.

And I believe I was clear in saying if, in fact, he meant 1 1/8 oz. loads,, I fully agreed with mg1polo, that guy is a menace to society.
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If and I say IF, he meant WAA12SL or TGT12, then the poster should probably learn to list components properly.
I still say, the guy shouldn't reload.
MG
 
#35 ·
I wrote Alliant Powder asking basically the same question. Interchanging a W209 for a Remington STS209. This was the response.
Scott,
There are two practices I'm going to inform you of.
First, load data for Promo and Red Dot is interchangeable on a weight to weight basis.
Second, for a primer swap, we base our decision on two independent studies where only primers were changed in the load data. In both of these studies, swings in pressure by as much as 2500 PSI were noted from just a primer swap. The interesting point here is the swings didn't follow just one make of primer. One time one would be higher and the next it may be the middle of the road. So based upon these two studies, we feel if pressures fall between 6500 - 8500 PSI a primer swap is allowable.
Looking to the Red Dot data for Remington hulls, CB1100-12 wads and Remington primers for velocities between 1200-1225 FPS, the charges of Red Dot is from 17.8 - 18.2 grains. This will have the pressures of 8000 - 8500 PSI and within our allowable primer swap limit.
Thanks,
Duane V. /Technical Service Representative
2299 Snake River Ave.
Lewiston, ID 83501
Alliant/Blazer/CCI/Speer
(800)379-1732


That reply made me feel at ease swapping them for my load. YMMV as always!!!
 
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