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I searched for this subject and didn't find anything related. Looking at quite a few load recipes calling for Remington 209's. Does anyone know how these compare to the popular Winchester 209 primers? Have read the differences and know about the Federals, Rio's, CCI's, but wanted to ask some of you if these could be "safely" and I emphasize "safely" substituted for the Winchesters?

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Jamie
 
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Slowpoke,
I should've qualified my ststement that I researched on this website. Lol, anyway, just starting the search, but so far I'm not seeing that there is a lot of difference.

But, in reloading, close, just about, or near are terms that could have dire consequences. To be clear, I'm using 28 gauge Win AAHS hull, 3/4 oz shot 8 1/2 or 9's, Win 5034 wad, Alliant 20/28 powder and these are exclusively for skeet, sporting clays only.

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Jamie
 
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Great article, and load chart, just read the article and had a copy of load chart in my book already. That's exactly what I was after. Thank you very much for including it.

Jamie
 
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MG,
I hear you, I am one to go exactly by the load recipes or slightly reduce loads if warranted. This is demonstrated by all of the varying components and load data in my possession. Lol

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Jamie
 
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stokinpls said:
The last time I was in "Farm & Home" the difference was: The WWs were $29/100. and STSs were $60.
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At $29/100 I would make it an unbreakable habit to avoid buying anything there whenever I could (which would be ALWAYS) !!
 
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HymieP said:
Nebs,
Yes, and the small bore manual from Ballistics. Any others?
Jamie
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The Alliant data generally only has recipes that use hulls and primers made by the same company. Thus, most of the loads using Rem hulls will call for Rem primers. One way to possibly get around this shortcoming is to find a similar load using a Win hull, which likely will call for a Win primer. Then sub in a Rem hull. This way, you are not substituting the primer, which, as mg1polo says above, is verboten.
 
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I saw Remingtons for $60 (somewhere, can't recall). As far as load data, Nebs, yes aware of the bias in certain books. The plans are also to utilize the Hodgdon data for recipes for 800x, and Longshot. Both seem to have multiple recipes with Win primers and AAHS hulls.

Jamie
 
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HymieP said:
I searched for this subject and didn't find anything related. Looking at quite a few load recipes calling for Remington 209's. Does anyone know how these compare to the popular Winchester 209 primers? Have read the differences and know about the Federals, Rio's, CCI's, but wanted to ask some of you if these could be "safely" and I emphasize "safely" substituted for the Winchesters?

Thanks
Jamie
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If you stay with the published recipe, including the primer that is specified, you'll get what is published or something more closely approximating what you see in print as far as speed and pressure. If you make the leap between the Winchester and Remington primer, you'll have a shell that performs differently. Primer substitution is not a good idea. The Remington primer is colder.
 
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sandcountyalmanac said:
If you stay with the published recipe, including the primer that is specified, you'll get what is published or something more closely approximating what you see in print as far as speed and pressure. If you make the leap between the Winchester and Remington primer, you'll have a shell that performs differently. Primer substitution is not a good idea. The Remington primer is colder.
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The only things that are true in this statement is the 2nd and 3rd sentences. The information on speed and pressure you see in the data is unlikely to be what your loads produce. At least on the speed, the SAAMI standard permits +/- 90 fps. And as to the notion Rem primers are "colder" is only a general rule and there are exceptions. Rem primers sometimes perform hotter with ball type powders than they do with flake powders.
 
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I always used Remington primers. Especially loading Rem hulls . Also used Winchester and Federal.
Used alot of fiocchi primers. But when Remington started asking basically double for their primers I decided well I guess you can keep them since you're so proud of them. Everyone else's are about the same prices so iam ok with not using STS.

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difference is that rem vs win 209's are sized slightly differently (physical size). The more important issue is that primers are all ballistically different. They are close but different - rising the term "hotness" of primers. I have substituted either on low pressure loads with no issue, but with a standard powerder i have seen and read articles in the past that there is about 1/2 grain presssure difference. That said, it veries greatly on a number of balistic specifics - I would check that before substituting them at all.
 
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