Opinions and experience with CZ guns.....I'm looking for a 12 or 20ga gun for casual shooting for my grandkids to use when I take them shooting and for myself on occasion. Thanks
CZ guns.........?
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I am not a fan of Turkish shotguns, having owned one and known several others who also have, but for your intended use it would probably be more than satisfactory.
Bingo! From what I've seen, the few I've handled were not bad guns, but their longevity (thousands and thousands of shells) is unproven, at least in numbers enough to be statistically relevant.
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I can remember long ago when I purchased a Winchester 101. Many of my friends razed me saying it was made from american beer cans.I still have the gun and still shoot it. T hey said it was junk because it was made in Japan.I think the Turks are on their way to building great guns. Remember we have the right of choice to buy what we like.I have a cz o/u target and a tristar semi sporting.Both have been dependable. Yes I have K guns and other high end guns. I just love shotguns! Just my humble opinion!
I'm way late to the party here, but just wanted to toss in a good word for CZ. I have done a lot of pheasant, duck and goose hunting in my life and my 1999 SBE2 still serves me well in the field. Then I joined a trap club (and now skeet too) and decided to jump into my first O/U. My budget was $1000 and my research quickly led me to either a used Browning or a new CZ. I found a new 12ga CZ Wingshooter Elite all-in for $900 and pulled the trigger. The wood is beautiful and I used some clear-coat polish to remove the "mud" appearance and now I think it looks better than the B's at my club. The engraving is really well done as well. I would guess that I've put 5000 rounds through it so far - a mix of everything from 3" steel to 3" heavy upland to 2.75" #9 skeet - and I've not had a single issue with it. I took a lot of crap at the club for a CZ but now the "regulars" know that it shoots and has held up well. I still occasionally take some grief but instead of having to defend it myself, others usually jump to my defense now before I can ;-)
When my wife decided to try trap and do some bird hunting with me, I found a new 12ga CZ 712 G2 with a bronze barrel and receiver, and very nice light-colored wood. It was about $450 on sale out the door at Cabela's and I've since cut the stock down for her. It looks great and she loves it, and we've not had any issues with it either, although maybe only 1000 rounds through it so far.
Some day I'll pick up a more expensive (I stopped calling them "nicer") Silver Pigeon or White Lightening, but in the meantime, I'm a fan of CZ's shotguns. Plus, if you do happen to get a rare lemon, their 5-year warranty makes it right with either a new gun or a refund. Tough to beat that, even with one of the household names.
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When my wife decided to try trap and do some bird hunting with me, I found a new 12ga CZ 712 G2 with a bronze barrel and receiver, and very nice light-colored wood. It was about $450 on sale out the door at Cabela's and I've since cut the stock down for her. It looks great and she loves it, and we've not had any issues with it either, although maybe only 1000 rounds through it so far.
Some day I'll pick up a more expensive (I stopped calling them "nicer") Silver Pigeon or White Lightening, but in the meantime, I'm a fan of CZ's shotguns. Plus, if you do happen to get a rare lemon, their 5-year warranty makes it right with either a new gun or a refund. Tough to beat that, even with one of the household names.
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Some times u need to look at the company u are purchasing from and the CZ rifles were a great buy for the money when they were making the 453's and 452's but the company thought they could switch from a good quality rifle and started to make changes. The 455's and 457's have some great changes made but the wood and barrel treatment's, in my option are junk!! Some times this rubs off company wide. Be aware!!
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- Long running CZ Canvasback durability test over on Shotgunworld is at 33,711 rounds.
- CZ service in the US has a good reputation.
- I'm thinking that these Huglu made guns offer fair value for dollar. This comment from a 50 year Browning owner. Absolutely cannot knock a lightly used Browning Citori as value for dollar either.
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I bought two SKB O/U's made in Japan. IMHO they are great quality, my go to O/U is still used bi-weekly on the range. Someday I may buy another 0/u, and would buy a used japan made SKB if it was a low use one in unaltered condition.
Think I might have an answer for you. I bought a CZ 712 ALS 12 gauge semi auto which has been
bulletproof once I removed the stock and put red loctite on the main stock screw before retightening. That educated me on the gun's heavy durability, basically waterproof synthetic, black and fully-adjustable ATI Akita stock. The stock collapses in on itself so you can change the length of pull from 12-14" with the push of a button. (It grabs one four notches). It also has three comb height positions with a screw based adjustment(you pull off the screew covers oneithe side of the stock, loosen then, slide the atached also synthtic comb to he hight nothc you want, retighten the screws and covers, and off you ago. As their verbiage says "This makes the ALS perfect for women and kids, as well as making it ideal for waterfowl and turkey hunting. Both the 26-inch and 28-inch barrel configurations accept 2¾ and 3-inch shells. "
I have had no mechanism failures on this nor a shorter 712 "Utility" meaning 20" barrel one I had. It actually shot actually very well so long as I used Rem Clay and Field shells which I saw a demo of on UTube and confirmed their patterning with several different shells myself. Like ti or not, I was shooting as well as the Bs and Ks(example si a 24 in wobbles) with this short gun.
As far as I saw, your pattern uniformity and spread is from your choke and shell, not the length of the barrel, but that besides the point. The 712 is a steal as it is adjustable for both big and little
people and hardy, being composite.
It is out of production but CZ told me they have plenty in their warehouse. You can get it here at
Bud's for $516 witha 28" barrel:CZ-USA CZ712 ALS G2 12 GA 28 and see it here at CZ USA at
CZ 712 ALS G2 - Discontinued 2018 - CZ-USA.
PS I'm retired from computers and not oin any kind of comission \ whatever. All the best.
If you want the trap version you may want the 712 Target but its got a 30" barrel and may be heavier.
I have a CZ Redhead 28 ga. over/under that I purchased 14 yrs. ago.
Use it every year for dove hunting and a 12 week long skeet league.
Over 6000 rds. thru it, never had a problem with it, still locks up tight,
Great wood to metal fit, blueing still looks new.
Use it every year for dove hunting and a 12 week long skeet league.
Over 6000 rds. thru it, never had a problem with it, still locks up tight,
Great wood to metal fit, blueing still looks new.
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I have a SXS CZ -- read Hulu. It is a very serviceable gun, points well, and have never had a malfunction. One thing not mentioned is that it has a horrible trigger -- heavy pull, lots of creep. If you're experienced you can work through the bad trigger but I would not recommend it as an intro gun for a teenager,
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Durability costs money!!! CZ will be cheaper but in the long run you will pay repairs as they get sloppy action. Go with a used Browning CX or Cross over target.
Mr. Sennorric:
Please, respectfully, would you state why you stated "I would never recommend a Stevens, Mossberg, Tri-Star, Savage, etc. for "casual shooting for the grandkids". I'm honestly interested on your reasons or opinions. I can
only guess you think they are more lekely to malfucntio and a new shooter wont know it or what to do - is that
it?
Sir,
Could you please state what model for us as they have added some in the last couple of years.
Thank you.
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As I understand it, CZ USA has adjusted many triggers with excessively heavy trigger pulls, under warranty.
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