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Ok the youngster at work stopped by my desk and asked about this. Now I personally have never loaded steel shot or Tungsten so I'm asking does any one load 3" TSS 9 shot for duck hunting?

I did some research on Ballistic Products and can get everything from them but I need a recipe to really narrow it down. Looking like 4.00 a round? I will have to call BP and ask. Any info you guys have would be great.

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I load ITX 10 and 13 shot in my 12 and 20 for waterfowl and love it. I use BP wads and buffer and the 20 will perform like a 12 out to near same distances. I have not loaded TSS shot yet, but not saying that I will not. Not any harder to load than lead. Just different wads and shot. I use Blue Dot and Steel powders for my loads.
 
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If you want to reloads TSS #9 shot for ducks a 2-3/4" 12 ga load with 7/8 oz load would be more than enough shot. TSS shot pellets are very heavy for their size so you don't need super fast loads with TSS shot like you do with steel shot.

Tungsten Super Shots - Index page
hawglips at the above link will give you TSS loading data if you buy your TSS shot from him.

If you want to send me your e-mail address in a PM, I will send you a test data sheet for a TSS 2-3/4" 12 ga 1 oz load.

From KPY Shotshell Ballistics Software. This is like comparing a 12 ga 3" load to a load with 7/8 oz of shot.
1600 fps steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 50.1 yards with 154 pellets in 1-1/4 oz of shot.
1350 fps TSS #9 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 70.5 yards with 312 pellets in 7/8 oz of shot oz.

See how the TSS #9 load has over twice as many pellets and the TSS #9 shot gets the same 1.50" of gel penetration over 20 yards farther away than the steel #2 shot.
 
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Federal Mag ShokFederal Heavyweight Mag Shok

Rogers Sporting Goods still has the close out sale going on with the Federal Heavyweight Turkey loads. Federal Heavyweight 15g/cc shot is 35% denser than lead shot or about 25% denser than the 12g/cc Hevi-Shot and HW13 shot. Check out the above link.

You can remove the Federal Heavyweight #6 or #7 shot from the factory Federal Heavyweight Turkey loads shells and get some great shot at a very good price.

The 12 ga 2-3/4" Federal Heavyweight Turkey 1-1/4 oz loads are a great buy to use on ducks or geese if you don't reload. A 1-1/4 oz HW13 load would cost $1.91 to reload just for the shot. So getting a 1-1/4 oz 2-3/4" shell with 15g/cc shot in it for just 9 cents more, is a great buy.

TSS shot is about $45.00 per pound.
Federal Heavyweight shot taken out of the Federal Heavyweight 12 ga 3-1/2 shells is about $25.60 per pound.
HW13 shot in a ten pound bag costs right at $24.50 per pound.

I have been using the Federal 3-1/2" hulls for coyote loads or removing the powder and wads and making 3" hulls out of them. So if you figure in the price of what 3-1/2" or 3" factory primed hulls are, there is even more savings by buying the Federal Heavyweight Turkey loads to use the 15g/cc shot..

Federal Heavyweight #6 shot will work good on geese and the #7 shot will work very good on ducks.

1500 fps steel #2 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 47.7 yards with 154 pellets in 1-1/4 oz of shot.
1300 fps Fed HW #7 shot gets 1.50" of gel penetration at 75.1 yards with 219 pellets in 1 oz of shot .
 
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Spit balling here

If one was to purchase the 2 oz Turkey loads.
Break the hulls down.
Buy some steel appointed wads.
Load 1oz 2 3/4 inch around 1300 fps.
End product would yield a duck/goose pounder?

Could it be that easy?
 
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I have loaded a lot of tss turkey loads. The wad I use is the TPS 42 with lil’gun, or steel powder. That is for 2oz tss 9s in a turkey load. I doubt being able to load it for 4$ a shell due to the price of shot. Derby Acres Bob gave some tremendous ideas to either lower the payload or load the hw15 shot. And yes, I ordered a bunch of 10ga 2oz 7s from Rogers just to break down for the shot! Quite a deal!! Frankly, I went to a 20ga turkey gun to sling tss from! I load 1.625 of tss 9s and it’s murder on turkeys. Your co worker can also purchase some bang up tss waterfowl loads from Foxtrot Ammo, Hoobilly who owns Foxtrot is on here. He can also contact some of the guys who sell tss and buy some shot and they will provide him with details
 
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Brady509 said:
Spit balling here

If one was to purchase the 2 oz Turkey loads.
Break the hulls down.
Buy some steel appointed wads.
Load 1oz 2 3/4 inch around 1300 fps.
End product would yield a duck/goose pounder?

Could it be that easy?
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It is that easy. The Federal Heavyweight #6 shot will work on geese. If you buy over $100.00 worth of the Fedewral Heavyweight Turkey loads you can get a fair amount of shot without investing a bunch of money.

Right now BPI reloading has their SpheroTungsten 15g/cc #7 shot on sale for $22.42 per pound if you buy the 20 pound bag.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/S....com/SpheroTungsten-Original-15-shot-7-100-20-lbs-VALUE-BAG/productinfo/HW0720/
If you have to use lead free shot and you reload 410s, 28 ga or 20 ga shells this is a great investment. A 28 ga shooting 15g/cc shot will out perform 3" 12 ga shells shooting steel shot, with a fraction of the recoil.
 
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Friggin double post, so I will put some KPY Shotshell Ballistic data for 15g/cc #6 shot and #7 shot in this spot.

For ducks
Steel #2 shot at 1600 fps gets 1.50 of gel penetration at 50.1 yards and has 154 pellets in 1-1/4 oz.
15g/cc #7 shot at 1300 fps gets 1.50 of gel penetration at 75.1 yards and has 164 pellets in 3/4 oz.

For geese
Steel #BB shot at 1600 fps gets 2.50 of gel penetration at 42.6 yards and has 89 pellets in 1-1/4 oz.
15g/cc #6 shot at 1300 fps gets 2.50 of gel penetration at 53.1 yards and has 144 pellets in 7/8 oz.
 
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Derby, I can’t send private messages for some reason right now, I’m on 28 gauge society/TapTalk, DHC, and other hunting/reloading forums.

I’ve been reloading bismuth, ITX10, steel and lead for 28 gauge (and recently .410). Have had a good deal of success this past waterfowl/pheasant season with ITX10 and bismuth, even some 5/8 oz steel loads.

I’m trying to perfect my HW15 6’s and 7’s in 2 3/4” Ched/Fio Hulls this off season

I reload with HV-28 wads and TPS (my HV-28 seem to keep velocity more consistent). I’d like to duplex the 3/4-7/8-1.00 oz loads if needed or warranted instead of use spacers and filler for a crimp and stack height.

All Of my HW15 reloads pattern well, but seem to be shooting over pressure. I’m reaching out to see if you’ll assist me in “dialing in” my load recipe. PM me if you can. Thanks for your posts along the way.
-Doug


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I have never loaded any 20 ga or 28ga 15g/cc loads so I can't help you with them.

The 12 ga loads that I have had tested the 15g/cc shot had lower pressures than 12g/cc shot data showed.

Since the Federal Heavyweight and BPI Sphero Tungsten shot is 15g/cc shot it has a shorter wad column than the same weight of 12/ gcc shot or lead shot. With more felt or cork spacer wads under the denser shot and a shorter shot column the loads I had tested were lower on pressure than the 12g/cc shot data showed.

You don't need the 12g/cc shot or the 15g/cc shot going faster than 1300 fps.

28 Gauge: Waterfowl, Upland, Target, HW, Lead

Check out the above link. Dave knows way more than I do about reloading for the 28 ga and 20 ga.
 
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Derby is dead nuts on with what he says about the speed. I load the ITX shot in my 20ga and it kills geese hammer dead!!!! I load most my 3/4oz -1oz loads in the 1225 to 1250fps and they pattern amazingly well as well just plain smash birds.
I have even gotten to the point of using buffered loads with 6 shot and kill canada geese as far and farther than my hunting partners with 12ga steel side by side.
 

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Look at this data from KPY Shotshell Ballistics comparing steel #6 shot to TSS #6 shot.

1-1/4 ounce of steel #6 shot has about 392 pellets.
1-1/4 ounce of TSS #6 shot has about 171 pellets. So each TSS #6 pellet weighs over twice as much as the steel #6 pellet.

Steel #6 shot that starts out at 1600 fps is going 512 fps at 50 yards and gets 0.59" of gel penetration at 50 yards, with 0.81 lbs energy.
TSS #6 shot that starts out at 1200 fps is going 736 fps at 50 yards and gets 3.41" of gel penetration at 50 yards, with 3.81 lbs energy.

So the steel #6 shot that starts out 400 fps faster than the TSS #6 shot is going 224 fps slower at 50 yards than the much slower starting TSS #6 shot.
 
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tracyhunter said:
I have a bag of tuwsbl24 wads that i used for steel.can i use them with tss?
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Yes you probable can use them. I would put a Mylar wrap inside the shot cup and you will probable have to put a felt or cork filler wad under the shot. TSS shot doesn't take up much space because it is very heavy for it's size.

If you buy your TSS shot from hawglips on the Tungsten Super Shots Forum he will give you reloading data for the type of TSS load you want to reload.
 
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