I need to know the poi on a factory TMX vs TM1.?
TM1 vs TMX
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I need to know the poi on a factory TMX vs TM1.?
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As Gary eluded to, good luck. I own and shoot both. The TMX has an adjustable comb; therefore I can adjust POI. The TM1 does not. I have two stocks for it. The original stock is a #1 and I have to get into the gun tighter than I like to to get the sight picture I like. It shoots a strong 80/20. About a month ago I got another stock (non monte carlo) It is not numbered. I have not gotten to get it out to check POI, but it is just as high as the original stock. I get the same sight picture looking down the rib as I do with the original.
I wouldn't be surprised if you picked 4 of each of theses guns up that you might get 8 different POI"
s . JMO
Steve
Something I might add here after reading some of the other posts. The TM1 is an Ithaca import with factory unmolested fixed full choke. The TMX has factory chokes. I think you will also find that the two guns balance differently.
I wouldn't be surprised if you picked 4 of each of theses guns up that you might get 8 different POI"
s . JMO
Steve
Something I might add here after reading some of the other posts. The TM1 is an Ithaca import with factory unmolested fixed full choke. The TMX has factory chokes. I think you will also find that the two guns balance differently.
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My experience is:
If you shoot looking down a flat rib, a:
TM1 will shoot about 70/30 at 34 yds
TMX will shoot about 60/40 at 34 yds
If you shoot looking down a flat rib, a:
TM1 will shoot about 70/30 at 34 yds
TMX will shoot about 60/40 at 34 yds
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Don and Jack know perazzi’s.
My friend has a 1988 tm1 and I own a 1989 tmx just shooting both (ie different lop) but both a stacked bead they shoot pretty close to me. To me the biggest difference which comes to shooting style, both with “factory” stocks adjustable combs my tmx is a bit more heads up style. That’s not news breaking but what I believe is I pick targets up a bit faster with my head more upright. If your considering both shoot them and make your decision. YMMV
My friend has a 1988 tm1 and I own a 1989 tmx just shooting both (ie different lop) but both a stacked bead they shoot pretty close to me. To me the biggest difference which comes to shooting style, both with “factory” stocks adjustable combs my tmx is a bit more heads up style. That’s not news breaking but what I believe is I pick targets up a bit faster with my head more upright. If your considering both shoot them and make your decision. YMMV
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I am considering buying a TMX and currently shoot a TM1 (pretty well), so thanks for all the opinions,
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murphy, the Winchester-import TM1's, the ones with the tapered rib, shoot higher than the Ithaca ones, generally, at least they were meant to as you can see from the increased pitch of the rib. If you like a flat-shooting gun, the Winchester may not be for you; at least, it wasn't for me.
Any one of either kind and TMX too must be suspected of so called "choke work" now and so must be both measured with a bore gauge and shot to be sure what's going to happen.
If your present TM1 is a Winchester and you like where it shoots, I'd not expect any TMX to suit you. If yours is an Ithaca, I'd think it would likely be a good match. Excluding, of course, "choke work" on either one or both, the effect of which is completely unpredictable.
Neil
Any one of either kind and TMX too must be suspected of so called "choke work" now and so must be both measured with a bore gauge and shot to be sure what's going to happen.
If your present TM1 is a Winchester and you like where it shoots, I'd not expect any TMX to suit you. If yours is an Ithaca, I'd think it would likely be a good match. Excluding, of course, "choke work" on either one or both, the effect of which is completely unpredictable.
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"Why the hell would anyone want a flat-shooting trap gun ??"
Well, in my case it was what I learned on and have never been convinced by a good reason to change. Other reasons might include, in no particular order:
1. If you aim, as I do, you quickly learn that you don't need a high shooting gun at all. You can shoot right at them and what could be easier than that?
2. The math behind the sort of high-shooting that people brag about makes no sense at all. They have to firing the gun when it is pointed well below where the bird is in the sky.
3. The way people calculate how high a gun must shoot leaves out the critical factor that makes "high shooting" look geometrically unattractive.
4. Most of the shooters who tout their oh-so-amazingly-and oh-so-admirably high POI's have never tested their guns at all, which puts them right in the same boat as people who think their guns shoot flat but have never, ever, tested that theory either.
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Well, in my case it was what I learned on and have never been convinced by a good reason to change. Other reasons might include, in no particular order:
1. If you aim, as I do, you quickly learn that you don't need a high shooting gun at all. You can shoot right at them and what could be easier than that?
2. The math behind the sort of high-shooting that people brag about makes no sense at all. They have to firing the gun when it is pointed well below where the bird is in the sky.
3. The way people calculate how high a gun must shoot leaves out the critical factor that makes "high shooting" look geometrically unattractive.
4. Most of the shooters who tout their oh-so-amazingly-and oh-so-admirably high POI's have never tested their guns at all, which puts them right in the same boat as people who think their guns shoot flat but have never, ever, tested that theory either.
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The later TM1,s and the later Tm1 Specials shot higher. You can actually tell by the tapered ribs as well as the downward pitch towards the muzzle. I bought a new the TM I with the tapered did and it shot a 100% high at 40 yards.
Imho I think that the TM1 that had the word "Special" only written on the side of the receiver was a very fine built gun as well as it being the predecessor of the actual "TM1 special"
Imho I think that the TM1 that had the word "Special" only written on the side of the receiver was a very fine built gun as well as it being the predecessor of the actual "TM1 special"
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There was a rumor that the TMX had 2 different POI's depending on the year or whatever ?? Anyhow I bought my 1982 mfg TMX used in 1987 and it shoots about 9 inches high at 40 yards with a space between the beads. At the time I was shooting an MX-3 Single barrel gun which had a flatter POI. I recently tried out a friend's Ithaca TM1 and it shot a POI that was too flat for me compared to my TMX but another friend of mine did buy it and he is averaging 99% in Singles with that TM1.
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Neil Winston: My TM1 is a Winchester and it shoots 70/30 (on the pattern board) I am hoping that an TMX I am considering buying may shoot the same. But with your info I dont know if thats going to happen.
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murphy, at least the possible mismatch is in the right direction for correction. A raised comb - I used Moleskin® for years - can probably give you result you are after if you don't demand a particular bead/bead relationship. Still, a lot depends on the individual characteristics of each of the two you are comparing (and you don't know yet if the TMX you are looking at is "untouched" which can be a big plus factor in its attractiveness, at least to me.)
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