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I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.
 
I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.
Glad you got that out of your system!!!!!!

jack mc
 
It's not "wrong", just different from the accepted standard that originated with the 1911.

IMHO, it only becomes ann issue when trying to switch back and forth between guns with varying grip angles when attempting to do anything beyond target shooting (anything requiring rapid sight acquisition).
 
Glock is ergonomically incorrect for me. I have to really rock my wrist over to hit a target to the point its painful, It just doesn't shoot where i am looking. I can take the 1911 and point and shoot ... target hit, Yes I have given the Glock an honest go .. but it just doesn't fit me. To me you don't fit yourself to any gun,,,,,, you make the gun fit you.
ON my XDS i changed out the backstrap to make it shoot where i am looking, In a tense situation I don't have time to think (hmmmm i need to rock my wrist over to hit the target)

So yes for me the Glock has a wrong grip angle
 
Simple, toy guns don't feel the same as real guns do.

Sorry, I had to do it.
 
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I think Glock has fixed the issues with grip with their gen 4 models. I have a gen 4 mod 19 and replaced the backstrap in about 5 minutes to make it feel like a 1911 which is perfect angle for me. jim w.
There is no doubt that a grip angle of 17.5 to 18 degrees is the optimum
grip angle for a handgun. This grip angle was pioneered in the 1911
design. Glock's instinctively point high. The user is forced to break
his wrist to align the sights. Almost all current polymer pistols, M&P,
XD, H&K etc , use a grip angle of near 18 degrees.
 
Why are you getting so upset over it? You should just listen to the criticism, make a calm rebuttal per your view, ignore it, or just laugh. I personally don't care for Glocks and yes I have owned one but don't care about who does like them. I think they are one of the ugliest pistols ever produced. If someone gave me one I would give it to someone I don't like. I don't ride ugly motorcycles, snowmobiles, horses, or shoot ugly guns. My choice.

As far as grip angle if memory serves me right when John Browning designed the 1911 after extensive testing it was determined that a 11 degree grip to barrel angle was the optimum angle for the average shooters hand to wrist. By optimum angle it was meant that when the pistol was gripped and the shooting arm was held straight out the slide was parallel to the ground. The shooter didn't have to make a conscious effort to raise or lower the barrel to achieve a flat sighting plain that didn't require a downward or upward movement of the weapon. Take into account that this angle isn't necessarily right for everyone. It is for me. I shoot 1911's and a Springfield XD.

Many firearms manufacturers don't use the Browning 1911 grip angle for lots of reasons. Colt or Ruger are not going to retool their factories to change their revolvers. Can't imagine changing a 1873 Colt. The pistol that absolutely feels the best in my hand that I have ever had is a German P38. That thing nestles in my hand like it was made for it. Shoot what you like.
 
Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.
 
Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.
And, they can use any weapon they choose as most Special Ops prefer to pick and customize their own rifles and pistols.
 
I've never understood this. And the more I hear it, the less I understand it, and the more foolish it sounds. All this complaining how Glock pistols have, "the wrong grip angle". What is a right one? Just because something is different than what you're used to does not make it, "wrong". I hear these people constantly complain that when they point a Glock they're looking at the top of the slide, instead of the sights. And somehow because of that the grip angle is, "wrong". Well how about this for a novel idea... Move your wrist so the sights are actually where they're supposed to be.

These same people don't complain when they transfer from a Ruger or Colt single action to a semi auto. Why not? The grip angle is far more acutely different. It seems they only whine when it's a Glock. It makes zero sense. The 1911 grip angle (all 1911 variants, Springfield XD, etc.) is more nearly square to the slide (about 18 degrees off square), while the Glock grip angle (Luger, Steyr M series, H&K P7, Ruger Mk II, etc.) is more raked (about 22 degrees off square). Are these people really trying to say they can't shoot the gun properly because the grip angle is different by only 4 degrees? That's ridiculous.

If you don't like the looks of the gun, that's fine. If you think it's too expensive to fit you're budget, that's also an acceptable reason to not want one. Even if for some reason you like your pistols with 27 different levers, buttons, and grip safeties. I can understand that. But to whine about the grip angle is just plain foolish. People aren't born with fused wrist joints. I own all but countless handguns in most every conceivable action type, size, and grip. I can go from one to the other by simply adjusting my grip and my wrist to suit that particular handgun.

And it's not as if Glock just decided to manufacture this pistol on a whim, without giving any thought to the grip, or the angle. Gaston Glock consulted many doctors, and did many studies concerning the physiology of people and the use of their hands before settling on the grip angle of the Glock. I'm not trying to start a flame war here, but it would seem after all of that, along with the fact millions of Glock handguns have been successfully put into service over the last 30 years, that there is nothing "wrong" with the grip angle. Only with the shooters who cannot adjust to using the gun properly.

I think you're on the wrong site.....Like who cares?
 
I've seen 1911s jam My glock hasn't as of 3500 rounds..
A LOT of truth to that statement. If the SHTF and I could only grab one of my many pistols, hands down it would be one of my Glocks without hesitation. I know that every time I pull the trigger(no matter what ammo I stick in it), it will go BANG!! I honestly can not say that about my other pistols and I have some nice ones. Don't get me wrong, my other pistols can be very reliable. The thing with those are they can be ammo picky in order to be reliable. The Glock's, don't care. Dirty or clean they work.
 
Ya, ya. Ya and I have seen a lot of those 350 dollar PD issued Glocks blow out because of the unsupported case issue. Which is worse when you need it? A jam you can clear or a destroyed gun?

I made my comment in jest. I have two poly framed guns, a HKPS9 and a MP in SW40. If Glock is what turns you on, go for it.
 
Shot410a,

At least the issue is guns, not real guns, but guns and not cat litter boxes.

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Here is my first attempt in a 80% frame build, in 9MM.......and yes it works.

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Think I read that Marine Special Ops are switching from 1911 style .45 to Glock 19's, with the new ammo available the 9mm kills as good as the .45, according to the Marines at least. Last I checked they know killing real well so will go with them on my selection.
I think the choice is as much about 9mm being a Nato standard round, the Glock is probably more weather resistant, a little lighter, and can fit more rounds in the magazine. My choice isn't made for adverse weather extreme combat conditions. And yes advances in ammunition equals out the playing field stopping power wise so you can go with a lighter, smaller diameter bullet. They make the same Plus P super expanders for .45, .38, .41, .44, etc. The advantage of the 9mm for the average shooter is recoil and cost. 9mm costs half what 45 does. You can get 1911's in 9mm.
 
I agree with that being 9MM the NATO round, one of many reasons US Army went to Beretta 92 in the 80's. Women in combat, smaller hands, less recoil than the 45. Also I would think the price to the government of the Glock is half of any of 1911 brand out there.
 
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've seen 1911s jam My glock hasn't as of 3500 rounds..
I have seen Glocks jam shooting combat handgun matches when the weather was wet and near freezing. One shooter was a cop and he was using his service Glock and it jammed several times. My Kimber .45 Gold Match ran flawlessly all day. I had a new Glock .45 cal and it would misfire on new high quality factory ammunition. It came from the factory with a bad firing pin. So any pistol can jam and some are more sensitive to different types of ammunition. Find the right shells to feed it and you have no problems.
 
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