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#21 ·
noknock1, The relocker is a spring loader plunger made of heavy steel which is tripped when the lock mechanism is physically moved. Kind of like a mole trap. When the mole trips the lever the spike plunger comes down. In this case the plunger blocks the cam on the door open mechanism just like the safe lock does. The better safes may have two or three relockers. The really cheap safes may have none. The guys advising drilling the lock have never seen a quality safe.
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
Lots of ideas from you guys, I could not believe the Mfgr did not keep combinations on file for situations like this. The local locksmith here only does key locks, not safes. I have a contact working if he can remember his name,I guess he is pretty good at it.

I am going to try a STETHESCOPE, I know it is 3 numbers and the dial rotation is 4-3-2-1 to open it. That is left 4-right 3- left 2 - right 1 it stops and
Voila it is open, it may take a few hours, if it fails then have safe co. do it.


Gary Bryant
Dr.longshot
 
#23 ·
nonknock1,

Your information is correct. If the hole is drilled in the wrong location you WILL have trouble AND expense. The relocker is at a location away from the lock itself.

To all,

The trigger for the relocker is usually attached to the cover of the combo lock. If the dial is torn off and the spindle is punched then the lock cover is distorted enough for the relocker to operate. You WILL NOT be able to release the relocker without drilling at least one hole somewhere else to manipulate the relocker which is usually under very heavy spring pressure.

Even an $ 800.00 safe could have hard plate protecting the lock from drilling.

A professional safeman will have the tools and knowledge to get the job done. As you are finding out, some of them are not afraid to charge for using that know how and equipment.

Gary,

To bad you are not closer to my location as I would open it AND replace the lock for less than $ 200.00

Doug Whiton, P/W dealer/dist

p.s. my qualifications? I have been doing locksmithing on a part time basis since 1969. dw
 
#24 ·
Here in central utah, there are a few pro safe crackers. They are so good that they go to the closest neighbors house that has a torch, steal that, and go back inside and cut the safe open with the torch. These guys are so good that they have gotten into approximatley 10 safes mabey, I cant remember for sure. They have also just been tipping them over and the door pops open on some models. This has been going on for about 3-4 years and the police have no suspects or any real clues. If they ever catch them then I will show them this thread and have them get in touch with you and help solve this problem. Buy the way, your guns are not at risk with these folks, they only want your money and anything else that they can get rid of in a hurry.
 
#25 ·
locdoc, I have a Liberty safe with one relocker. I have replaced the dial lock myself with an electronic one so I know how the mechanism works. I once ask a big Liberty dealer if they could open one with the relocker tripped. He assured me they could open it without doing any damage to the safe. That means they have to go in through the hole already there. When I had mine apart I thought if I had a scope and the right tool I could grap the relocker and raise it. But you state the need for another hole. Of course Liberty would not tell me how they do it. Do you always need to drill another hole. With hardplate that could be some distance from the relocker.
 
#26 ·
JerryP,

There very well may be tools and proceedures of which I am not aware. In some instances what you have been told is certainly possible.

I am not a member of SAVTA or hold any credentals in safe/vault work but have been doing general locksmithing since 1969. I feel that I have picked up enough info along the way to tackle a job with out getting in over my head. I have opened several containers successfully over the years.

Doug Whiton, P/W dealer/dist
member of ALOA
 
#27 ·
Dr.longshot,

Gary, You may try calling Lockmaster's, Inc. @ 800-654-0637. They are located in KY.

They train locksmiths and security professionals both in a resident classroom setting and to a lesser extent via mail order schooling.

They may have a referral list of trainees or graduates in your area that might take on your challenge for a nominal fee, considering, of course, the field training potential for the student. Good luck.

Doug Whiton, P/W dealer/dist
 
#28 ·
I saw a film (you tube) i think. the bad guys tipped the safe on it's back. they used a prybar and a crow bar and in a couple of minutes had it open. I hope my safe is more secure than that one. oz
 
#29 ·
Most of the locks I've seen on safes are made by Sargent & Greenleaf (http://www.sargentandgreenleaf.com/), regardless of who made or assembled the safe. Unfortunately, their website says the don't keep the combinations to their locks (IMO, this is just plain dumb). But, they do have a support phone number which might assist you. (800)-826-7652.

Gene Batchelar
Wheaton, IL

PS A few years ago when going through my parents' house, I found a small 4 drawer safe with a combination lock. I used to know the combo when I was young but had forgotten it. When going through my Dad's dresser, I found a piece of paper in his cuff link box with the combo on it. My point is to ask the wisow to be certain that she's looked everywhere. Did they have a safe deposit box? I keep the combo to my gun safe in there.
 
#31 ·
Your right it is 4/3/2/1 Left/right/left/right Four turns to the right to clear stop at the number, twice past the number stop on the third time, once past the number and stop the second time, turn it back until the tumbers fall. Your should always try 50-25-50 first, many come from factory and are never reset. These are cheap safes and don't have any lock out system like the other guys are talking about!!!!!!!!!
 
#32 ·
PerazziBigBore. Plazma cutter You better watch out. Some old timers use to put black powder in the walls. Not to friendly to flames and sparks. Usely see who was trying to open it, for there laying their.
Company keeping combination "WHY" I change them first thing and when I sell one I set the tumblers from behind as the owner picks his new combination. So I don't know what it is.
 
#33 ·
Are ya sure what might be in it is worth the hassel and trouble of getting into it for the poor old widow lady?

She might think her husband was a dear sweet kind loving husband who use to keep his weekend toys in the safe and once its open she finds out his weekend toys was lace undieoo's and high heals.

Is it worth the hassels of getting into?

How many years ago did Geraldo Ribeairia break into Capones vault or something or other on live television only to have the who lead up and television show be a total bust when it was empty. Yep could be the same thing again.
 
Discussion starter · #34 ·
I just found out there is nothing in the safe, she justs wants to use it for valuables of her own.

Loc-Doc thanks for the info, will try to contact them tomarrow.


Gary Bryant
Dr.longshot
 
#37 ·
I had a clue once but I locked it in a safe but I dont have the combination to open the safe so I now must go threw life clueless and that is true to a point no matter how I look at it.

... but no matter what the jabs and such were beneath you, you are and have been far better than that before.
 
#38 ·
I had a gun safe and couldn't get it to open. I keep putting the combination in and it would not open. I called the 800 number of the safe company and the fellow on the other end said not to worry, just reverse dial. I said what? And he said put the combination in backwards and it sould open. It did. HMB
 
#39 ·
Jerry P:
I am thinking about it. What list is it exactly that I have my safe combo on that you find disturbing? It's in a safe deposit box which is only accessible by 2 people - not even the bank can get into it. Maybe you find trusting my bank to keep the agreement we signed over reaching - I don't.

Gene Batchelar
Wheaton, IL
 
#40 ·
Gene - I knew a person who once had his safe deposit key locked in the safe but forgot/could not remember the exact combination for the safe and the combination of the safe was kept in the safe deposit box.

True story ...
 
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