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The price at the time was the biggest factor for wanting several pallets. This was during the big ammo shortage. Didn't want to end up with a bunch of ammo that wouldn't sell because it was no where near its advertised velocity.
 
Thanks for the explanation. But it did in fact perform well on targets?
I just used some Herters 1 oz 1060 fps 7-1/2's at an event and they easily smash targets at 40 yards. They will get tested on some 60 yard plus targets soon. That mental block of high FPS equals better scores is somewhat of a myth.
I usually shoot 1 oz 1160's and could see no difference in performance. I use them for everything including FITASC and never feel undergunned.
 
They performed ok. Was more interested in them to try to make some money. I remember clearly upon shooting the first shell, "this is the softest hdcp I have ever fired. Well, I personally know why. If anyone wants to shoot 1100 fps shells then go for it. But you will never see me or my brother Mike Wilgus(who has won the US Open sporting clays twice) shooting them in competition. Practice either for that matter. John Wilgus
 
They performed ok. Was more interested in them to try to make some money. I remember clearly upon shooting the first shell, "this is the softest hdcp I have ever fired. Well, I personally know why. If anyone wants to shoot 1100 fps shells then go for it. But you will never see me or my brother Mike Wilgus(who has won the US Open sporting clays twice) shooting them in competition. Practice either for that matter. John Wilgus
John,

Just curious. What do you and Mike usually use for sporties, FITASC, etc? Shells that is.
 
trap.skeet.sporting......was sambrowne with you while you were doing this little project?You know your troll buddy? Or maybey the title to this thread should be I cut open a Herter's shell and found sambrowne?? SOrry about the off topic guys but trap.skeet.sporting knows what IM talking about here.
 
Thanks for the explanation. But it did in fact perform well on targets?
I just used some Herters 1 oz 1060 fps 7-1/2's at an event and they easily smash targets at 40 yards. They will get tested on some 60 yard plus targets soon. That mental block of high FPS equals better scores is somewhat of a myth.
I usually shoot 1 oz 1160's and could see no difference in performance. I use them for everything including FITASC and never feel undergunned.
This is a good post that gets to the heart of the matter of ammo selection.

Clearly an 1100 fps load of #7.5 doesn't give up "target-smashing ability" to one that one that starts at 1300 fps. While the slower load starts out with 30% less energy, when it gets to 60 yds the difference is half that.....still plenty to "smash" targets.

My "mental block" with high fps is about confidence. In competition, if I think it matters, it matters. Nothing affects my scores in competition like the slightest loss of confidence. In trap, I start with equipment I have the utmost confidence in and it never waivers. I've shot enough sporting clays and FITASC to know what gives me 100% confidence. It's a minimum of 1250 fps. At 1200 fps or less, I can smash targets.....but I can see the delay at about the 50 yd mark. If I'm pulling the trigger and have time to register "crap, I missed.... " and then the target breaks, that doesn't build confidence.

I'd shoot the maximum payload at the maximum velocity if I could get away with it. I don't because I know the recoil will effect my performance...through fatigue, flinching and eventually loss of confidence. With all the possible combinations I could use, I have un-wavering confidence in my ability to perform at my best with 1 ounce of #7.5 @1250 +/- 25 fps. YMMV.

That's pretty much what John Wilgus said..."Nitro 27 7 1/2's. No guesswork. One oz for Fitasc"
 
trap.skeet.sporting......was sambrowne with you while you were doing this little project?You know your troll buddy? Or maybey the title to this thread should be I cut open a Herter's shell and found sambrowne?? SOrry about the off topic guys but trap.skeet.sporting knows what IM talking about here.
Is this really from a MODERATOR?
 
Nitro 27 7 1/2's. No guesswork. One oz for Fitasc
Thanks John. Same as W. Cherry. For me they just seem to be counterproductive over the long term from a fixed breech gun. I rely on a diet of AA extra lite 1180's or B&P Comp One 1oz 1160's. No I am not in Mike's league.
He could probably shoot anything and the outcome would be the same.
Good shooting!
 
QUOTE="mike campbell, post: 2459436, member: 29919"]This is a good post that gets to the heart of the matter of ammo selection.

Clearly an 1100 fps load of #7.5 doesn't give up "target-smashing ability" to one that one that starts at 1300 fps. While the slower load starts out with 30% less energy, when it gets to 60 yds the difference is half that.....still plenty to "smash" targets.

My "mental block" with high fps is about confidence. In competition, if I think it matters, it matters. Nothing affects my scores in competition like the slightest loss of confidence. In trap, I start with equipment I have the utmost confidence in and it never waivers. I've shot enough sporting clays and FITASC to know what gives me 100% confidence. It's a minimum of 1250 fps. At 1200 fps or less, I can smash targets.....but I can see the delay at about the 50 yd mark. If I'm pulling the trigger and have time to register "crap, I missed.... " and then the target breaks, that doesn't build confidence.

I'd shoot the maximum payload at the maximum velocity if I could get away with it. I don't because I know the recoil will effect my performance...through fatigue, flinching and eventually loss of confidence. With all the possible combinations I could use, I have un-wavering confidence in my ability to perform at my best with 1 ounce of #7.5 @1250 +/- 25 fps. YMMV.

That's pretty much what John Wilgus said..."Nitro 27 7 1/2's. No guesswork. One oz for Fitasc"[/QUOTE]


Mike,

Great comments too!

20 and some years ago we used the 1-1/4 pigeon loads for FITASC. To me it was a mental crutch I had to break. It seems like too many guys get caught up in the "Technical Edge". Actually experimented with the AA Int'l 7/8 oz 7-1/2 1325 fps load some time ago. Ran my first parcour ever in FITASC with it. Out of a semi auto it's so very sweet to shoot. However they are hard to find and eventually just went back to one ounce low velocity loads (I have confidence in them and my ability and switched to an O/U). A good friend that I have been shooting with for that entire time likes to favor the 1350 1oz loads. We shoot the bigger tournaments and will break the same targets at the same distances. I supect that if he were to reduce to a slower load he would still be as effective. That cumulative recoil ain't your friend.
 
That 36 gram load was my mental crutch for awhile, too. Believe it or not, I shot 1 ounce at the 50+yders and put the 1 & 1/4 in for close rabbits....I still missed rabbits, so it was easy to give up the big shell.

I have a friend who shot his first FITASC with us at Sandanona 15+ years ago. He heard you could use 1 & 1/4, so he shot em exclusively. I nick-named him "five - quarter"
 
trap.skeet.sporting......was sambrowne with you while you were doing this little project?You know your troll buddy? Or maybey the title to this thread should be I cut open a Herter's shell and found sambrowne?? SOrry about the off topic guys but trap.skeet.sporting knows what IM talking about here.
Way to go George, caught the scurvy dog red handed.
Bravo.
 
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