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George MT.

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Im interested in information from shooters who own or have owned the Beretta 687 Silver Pigeon 3 Trap Combo.How was the bottom single for adjusting POI.When patterned did both Bls. of the over/under shoot to the same POI? Thanks in advance for a reply George
 
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George
I shoot the Beretta 687 SP III unsingle combo. I shoot a 90/10 pattern and it was easy to dial in using the supplied comb spacers. I then adjusted the rib to give me a stacked bead sight picture and I was off to the races.
the O/U barrels pattern just slightly lower and I found that if I wanted the same pattern as the unsingle, I had to add another spacer under the comb to get it to shoot a little higher.
I my particular case, I like to shoot a little lower POI when shooting doubles so I am not concerned that the O/U shoots a little lower than the unsingle barrel.

Hope this helps

John
 
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Thanks Jon, I appreciate the reply.I have come across a few where the o/u BLs. do not pattern to the same POI which of course makes the o/u bls. of not much use.I like the idea of the up-graded comb hard-ware from Joel Etchen.
 
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If your unsingle (adjustable rib) is POI at 90/10 and the O/U does not come with an adjustable rib as does the Unsingle, your bottom barrel will more than likely have the flatter POI and the upper barrel the highest. Am I correct? Furthermore, you would be hard pressed to get the upper to shoot a 90/10 without bending the barrel.

blade819
 
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If your main concern is to have the O/U barrel and the unsingle barrel shoot the same POI, then work up the POI on the O/U barrel FIRST by adjusting the height of the comb. When it is where you like it, then go to your unsingle and set it up to shoot where your O.U barrel shoots by adjusting the rib.
As blade mentioned, the two barrels of the O/U will probably not shoot exactly the same POI.

John
 
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Thanks for the input I appreciate it, I guess to clarify the O/U part of my question with this post is have shooters who have owned this model had issues with POI being radically different from the top to bottom BL.?I have spent quite a bit of time with my other trap combos on the pattern board but they are a K-80 and a Blaser F-3 so both have a hangar system so there is some adjustability there.I have seen a couple of O/U BLs that were not hangar adjustable and had a very wide variance between the POI of the top and bottom Bl. one was almost 7 inches lower at 30 yards which is not acceptable.So getting a decent POI is not so much a problem as are the over/unders consistent and do not have a radical varience in POI between the top and bottom BL. Thanks for the input George
 
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jmac... you are right on. One problem that I had with my CG Apex combo (that I just sold this week)was I liked to shoot a high singles gun... maybe 100/0. Even though my O/U had an adjustable rib, I just couldn't get it to shoot my preferred height of the unsingle. Therefore when I went from shooting doubles to singles or caps, I had a difficult adjustment to make. Solution? I'm buying a CG Summit O/U and adjusting it to my height then shooting that gun for every event. Theory wise, I'm hoping to shoot better and more consistaent.

blad819
 
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I guess with this thread kind of going to a POI discussion I can add that for a couple of years I shot a gun that was specifically set up for just doubles and was pretty comfortable doing that but being that my singles and caps gun was a Seitz there was a huge difference in trigger pull so there was always some adjustment issues in trigger pull ect. so working with a combo and working with washers is not a problem but having confidence that the POI between the top and bottom BL is a must.
 
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It sort of defeats the purpose of the adjustable unsingle ..in the combo of that type the O/U's main function is doubles and most shooters don't really desire that high of a POI...if that's what you need from the over/under barrels get a Guerini that will better serve you in that same price bracket
 
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BLADE I had a Perazzi Over/Under that I put together from parts that I purchased from shooters here on ts and it had 34" BLs and I loved that gun and tried shooting it for everything but it was a beast to swing by the end of the day.It was MX 10/RS,wish I still had it! George
 
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Don't forget that when setting up a combo with an adjustable single barrel and a non-adjustable O/U set, you must get the O/U barrels shooting where you want them using the adjustable comb and then do the same thing to the single barrel using its rib. If you do it backwards - adjustable barrel first - you will have to adjust the comb every time you change barrels.

Ed
 
Discussion starter · #12 ·
Thanks for the input,I would still like to hear from anyone that owns or has owned one of the 687 Silver Pigeon 3s and their experience with it.I guess to a certain extent we are all seeking a specific feel and function in a shotgun and sometimes you pay a lot for that and sometimes not so much and are pleasantly surprised so being that the price point is decent on the 687 SP 3 even after maybey installing a RAD 2 it would be worth checking out.BTW thanks for the reply Jmac
 
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The newer 680 series guns with the Optima barrels are very good compared to what Beretta put out in the past. The ones tested proved to be consistent as far as POI between the O/U barrels.

Some guys like to have different impact points for doubles; a little higher for the first shot, maybe not a bad idea if every club threw the same target presentation - but not likely.

Most shooters grow accustomed to where the "sweet spot" is on a set of barrels, and the newer Beretta 687 SPs have a good reputation for barrel regulation.

The unsingle seems to require a bit more time to dial in, probably due to the weight balance difference from the O/U. Lots of adjustment can make matters worse.

Most folks are recommending aftermarket chokes, as they seemingly give more predictable performance.

Regards, GAP
 
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Thanks GAP, I have a number of Briley Optima chokes around from a 391 that I had.My older 391 is a angle port job and is choke to BL. specific so I cant use those although the Angle Port chokes are very good.I have a couple of BT-99s that Im selling and if all goes well will probably purchase the 687.I guess like anything else a guy does not mind some aftermarket improvements but I really do not want to get into a full on custom project with this,so kind of looking forward to shooting a Beretta again for some fun.Thanks George
 
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I am considering going the way of the JE 687 Silver Pigeon but haven't made up my mind. Berretta had some barrel shot dispersement problems not to long ago and I'm a little leery. Instead of correcting the barrel problem, I heard they tried to regulate it by modifying chokes by Seminole. Don't know the entire story though.

blade819
 
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Thanks Joe, Im still kicking around some ideas and that particular model has always been of interest to me.Yes they are I feel an attractive shotgun to look at,compared to some of the ones that I shoot down right good looking(LOL)In my area where I live nobody has one that I would be able to try so that is one of the reasons Im posting here so that I can gather some info so if I drop my money on one I know what IM getting into alittle bit.
 
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