The shells in Bunker are 24 grams which is just a pinch under 7/8 oz. Unlike ATA the shot may be plated usually nickle.The shells are really cooking(there is no "speed limit" in Bunker ammo) and some shells are really fast! Autos are so rare they are practialy non existant! In parts of Europe they must be modified to limit them to two shells. Most people wouldn't want to go through the hassle of all of that. Autos ARE "allowed" in Bunker in the rules, and when I shot Bunker for awhile there were a very small few who used them. I shot my way to "A" class in bunker with an 1100, but wouldn't try using one if I was to ever go back to the game! As mentioned above there are 6 shooters on the field in constant rotation moving stations after each shot. The game is shot from 15 meters meters which equating to roughly 17 yds. The 15 traps in the bunker(3 per station) are programed by computer so nobody can know which target they will get. Angles are much wider and height is unknown. Some are high screamers and some are "worm burners"! There is a main scorer and two flankers which act as referees. A "miss" is noted by a horn and red flags. There are two shots allowed for bunker,but, in the final shoot offs only one shell is used. The targets are much harder to withstand the extra spring pressure that hurl them up to 70 meters! A lot of ATA shooters talk trash about Bunker shooters,but, the fact is a lot of hot shot ATA shooters have tried the game and were humbled by it. It is hard to go back and forth from Bunker to ATA. It is the probably the most difficult of the shotgun disiplines. Release triggers are defiantly a NO NO!!! Those that are serious Bunker shooters much train hard and long to be competitive in the game!

The rule for target distance is 76m +or-1. The faster targets are the 1-1/2m and the 3-1/2 m w/ the 2m optimum distance/spring.

Again, I recommend Bill Bartels' excellent site for bunker and wobble trap information; shooting bunker.com.

Chuck

Steve,

The Wisconsin Trapshooting Associations new homegrounds includes the constuction of a bunker trap suitable for Olympic training and trials. It will be our chance to see this sport up close and personal.

We will have to study up on the rules and etiquette of the game as it is quite different from American Trap...I personally can't wait to give it a try.

olympic trap is like ata on speed. wonderfull sport but you need reflexes like a cat

One of the most needed items in your Intl' Bunker toolbox is the ability to see the bird quickly.

One can "slob shoot" ATA and do fairly well. Bunker is another story. You must have your technique down pat.

Also, you must have a well fitted gun that you can swing quickly. I use a 28" Browning, had a very light 29 1/2" Perazzi. I am strong and quick for an old guy, but the 30" guns eat my lunch on high hard angles. YMMV.

Coach,

Agree, but would add this. If you want to shoot this consistently at a high level that gun must be fitted exactly to you. Mount is critical, same place every time. If there is a constant discussion I hear around a bunker, it's eye points and hold points. All of which leads to a never ending source of frustration for me. But it is soooo sweet to dust a 1.5m 45 degree target!

HJH

I think the Coach just called me a slob--that's ok he's probably correct!

All kidding aside, one day I'm gonna try the Bunker thing. I love to watch them in action.

Guy B.

Anyone here have experience with a glove grip Perazzi stock for bunker? I'm thinking of trying one on my 32" MX-8 for bunker, but can find very little about them, even from Perazzi dealers or website. It would seem that it would give you more precision in repeating your gun mounts correctly.

I made a similar one up for my bunker gun and feel it gives me much more control. Hal will probably give you a better assessment as he has one on his bunker gun.

Chuck

Par8shd has one. Saw it while shooting in Vancouver. Interesting concept.

Tom

Just curious why Goatskin thinks only an Italian over/under is the needed gun for bunker trap?

Bunker Trap is an Italian game and their guns are optimized for it. Tom

I looked very closely at the Ergosign/Evocomp stock for my MX8. Honestly, I really see the sense in that stock, if you're willing to pay the money. For several thousand of your hard earned dollars, you can have a stock that is completely tuned to you. I understand they will even mold it to your own hand the same as the precision 50m pistol shooters grips.

In the end, the amount of changes I wanted to the MX8 made the decision to go with a new gun pretty easy. I went with an MX2000/3, glove grip, choked 7 & 9 and 29" barrels. The glove grip is awesome. Your hand and arm just lock right into position every time. Be warned, this does nothing for the head. You still need the comb adjusted correctly. The negatives for the glove grip is really only one. I was warned that I might hold it too tight and I have to watch that. It's so easy to pull the gun in that you don't realize that you have tightened up and have a death grip on that side.

My mounts have improved, or at least are a little more consistent. The right hand stays locked in place as I bring the gun up. One thing I noticed is a natural feeling to leave the elbow flying out. By dropping the elbow just a little I get a really nice lock on the stock. I'm not sure if it is the stock or a lighter gun, but my swings to the target have gone to warp speed. I'm actually having to work on slowing down and making a nice smooth movement to the target. For sure I think the stock helps in keeping the upper body locked in on the gun. But as I said, it does nothing for the head.

Wingmaster, I went with Perazzi for one reason. They would make the gun exactly how I wanted it, fit to me and with the specs that I set out. I started with a Model 12, went to a Citori, and a few others over time before I got my first Perazzi. There are other really nice bunker guns out there, but for me it was a personal choice.

just my experiences for what that's worth.

Hal

Hal,

I picked up a new glove grip stock in Italy last month at the Perazzi factory for my MX-2000. After the fitting, it took them only 4 hours (2 on the CNC and 2 on the bench) to finish my stock. Another two day of stain and finish and it was in my hand just before we left to come home. I got to shoot it at TAV Ponso near Padova and I shot it very well right out of the box. Upon returning home and only 4 days later, I won the Bronze Medal at the CANAM Cup at Keystone Shooting Park and just took 6th at the CANAM Cup in Montreal this past weekend. The glove grip has a different feel to it and you have to get used to it, but it really allows you to lock yourself into the gun and control the swing much more evenly then a regular pistol grip stock. In short, this is a sweet new addition to the arsenal. In my opinion, I would only have the fitting done and the stock made directly at the factory.

Best Regards,

Allen Chubb - President - Chubb International Shooting Sports, Inc.

@goatskin: An Italian O/U is the proper tool for the job for serious shooters.

@wingmaster: Just curious why Goatskin thinks only an Italian over/under is the needed gun for bunker trap?

Wing, it don't matter much what *EYE* think, the MARKET has spoken, and I don't argue with the market.

I think the only ranked competitor, worldwide, in recent memory, in either bunker or doubles that was not shooting a Blitz-action boxlock was Brand, AUS who shot an SO4 until he blew it up a few years ago; since then he has shot DT-10 but he is no longer much of a medal threat.

The same names in different proportions dominate skeet. I think Matt Dryke's USAMU-owned non-upgraded, pure-stock 3200 was the last non-Perazzi/non-Beretta medalist.

I have no idea how many of the shooters are sponsored, but I would assume that most of the names don't buy their own guns. I doubt the names would change much, tho, even if they had to buy their guns. The Market can be demanding like that.

Bob

Allen,

Completely agree! I had my fitting done in California, and I refuse to speak poorly of the fantastic people out there. But, I think I would have had less problems with comb height had I gone to Italy. On the flip side, got that problem sorted out and now it's on to getting other items perfected.

Hal

Hal,

I had them put on an adjustable rubber comb on the glove grip stock and we matched all the adjustments to my current stock with the same type of comb. It was a piece of cake. The only thing you have to remember is that you need to bring your hand in directly from the rear in order to get the same grip every time.

Best Regards,

Allen Chubb - President - Chubb International Shooting Sports, Inc.