I've been hearing rumors in my area that Remington is getting out of the shotgun shell and/or reloading component business. Any truth? My club's distributor is saying we can't get STS shells anymore, Remington wads or primers?

Sounds like BS to me or "false flag" price increases again.

What have you heard and where is it coming from?

Bs

Don't look like a Remington shortage to me

Thanks. It's BS propagated by the vendor where most of my club's ammo is purchased from.

I'll shop outside my club's choice

I work for a large wholesale distributor and the word we're getting is that Remington is scaling back they're components. The general idea is they'll order what they need to make factory shells and offer any surplus to the retail market. At this point with the prices they're charging, who would buy them anyways. Now factor in no rebate for the shells and your answer should be clear. In the big scheme of things, components are less than 1% of their overall sales, so very easy to trim the fat and move on.

Jeff Graupp

Facts,

Remington wads, primers and shells are in very short supply in many areas. RXP, FIG 8 and TGT-12 wads price was raised astronomically by distributors just prior to shortages-primers too.

STS shells are difficult to find at most major distributors.

Remington officials have made the statement that component prices need be raised substantially to make the product profitable or exiting the business is possible.

Subject to change at any moment!!

Difficult to find and getting out of the business are two different questions...

sounds like a harry reid rumor.

bigM, try reading Jeff's post. They're difficult to find because they're not making many. I doubt you're one of those guys who'll spend over $14/500 Remington brand wads instead of $9/500 Claybusters. And you're telling us $185-5000 Remington primers at wholesale are a much better value than Fiochi at $118.

Speak not of what you know little!!

I too heard a rumor that Remington is getting out of the Target shell business and only keeping their hunting line of ammo. Now I don't know if that includes the gun club line of ammo or if they will keep that as part of hunting/target ammo??? I told you all that Remington's manufactoring machines would not last forever!!! Sounds like they may need to put $$$ into the machines to keep them running??? With this economy I too think it would be a bad investment for them to dump large $$$ into fixing/replaceing the old machines. Hope you all have lots of Rem. hulls if you reload!!! Then again maybe its just a rumor. Time will tell. break em all. Jeff

When Harlan is no longer sponsered by Remington, you'll know.

Phil Berkowitz

With all the Cheddite, Claybuster, etc. stuff out there, I'm surprised companies like Remington stay in this at all. Reloading components seem to be purchased by budget-minded people who shop for bargains, buy in quantity, and will always go for cheaper things like wads and primers. But "exiting from the shotshell business" sounds like BS. Now, exiting from "manufacturing" shotshells? I can definitely see Remington having all their shells imported from Turkey or someplace, and re-badged with the Remington name...just like their guns will eventually be.

Of course, Average Ed hasn't had the chance to tap his legendary and extensive treasure trove of "inside-information" from Remington, so I guess we'll have to stand by for the actual answer.

I have nothing of value to offer at this time. And with 38 unopened flats of STS/Nitro shells on hand that I will reload eight times, I'm not concerned - yet.

I've seen this happen before in other industries. One motive for it is to drive prices skyward to increase profitability. Maybe you've noticed that scenario with gasoline prices...

A former Remington rep told me years ago that reloading components were not much more than a break-even proposition for Remington so it isn't hard to believe that they might want to stop marketing them.

Ed

Since a large number of gun manufactorers are owned by one group we will see changes that are made concerning profitabilty for the group. I believe that this will certainly affect the availibilty of what they term low profit areas. Sad days ahead of us. Jackie B.

FWIW I recall Remington components com and go from the market at least twice.

Ollie,

"I've been hearing rumors in my area that Remington is getting out of the shotgun shell and/or reloading component business. Any truth?"

I can read this just fine. You have a difficulty with this question??

"bigM, try reading Jeff's post. They're difficult to find because they're not making many. I doubt you're one of those guys who'll spend over $14/500 Remington brand wads instead of $9/500 Claybusters. And you're telling us $185-5000 Remington primers at wholesale are a much better value than Fiochi at $118.

Speak not of what you know little!! "

try reading comprehension classes online....

Jim

BigM, tell us if you're a dealer or distributor. If not, you still know little. Jeff and I are trying to tell you something-are you listening!!

Well since you can't read nor comprehend, it was the OP, also known as original poster, SteveL-CT, who posted the question.

that was the question I answered.

Where your coming from I have no idea.

I don't need to be a dealer or distributor to know the answer to that question...

Since I made no reference to Jeff's comments I don't need yours either...

Sportsman's Den Shelby,OH has a good supply of Rem. shot shell ammo. Shooters are not buying them with no rebates. Gun Clubs which used to be cheap, are now around $7.00 per box at my local Walmarts,Meijer's in N W Ohio. Rem. will be out of the shot shell business with no rebates and high prices! Clyde

That's OK BigM, Jeff just happent to work for one of the largest distributors on the East coast and is privy to inside information. As a large dealer I also have access to similar information.

Since you've already declared our information as BS, please tell all of us where you got yours!!

Even if Remington did quit, they have a state of the art manufacturing plant in Arkansas that wont go to waste. It would be purchased and run by someone.

Barry, I worked over 30 years for Beth. Steel. We spent millions of dollars on state of the art technology prior to closing the plant!!

If Walmart sold Remington trap loads here in Alberta I might actually go into their store....

Oleo, I never said yours or jeffs info was bs. I stated, quite clearly, the op's statement was bs...If you'll look c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y you'll see mine was the 2nd post to his. Preceding yours.

Remington is indeed not getting out of the cartridge or reloading component business...

I got mine from Remington....

Ammunition Product Services 2592 Arkansas Hwy 15 N Lonoke, AR 72086 TEL: 1-501-676-3161 Fax: 1-501- 676-4231

My local Dick's has more gun clubs and field loads on the shelf than EVER before. Interestingly enough, they aren't using an STS primer anymore. They look like a Winchester primer externally.

page 42 & 43 in the 2012 grand american program at the bottom of the pages it states "for more infomation concerning remington target shells contact john bauer, remington shooting sports manager at 336-607-4360"

Remington makes much more money on the low end target shells like Gun clubs due to volume sales. They probably sell a lot more "sport loads" at Wally World than they do STS target loads. Reloading isn't as popular as it once was due to the insane cost increase in shot! As far a shell sales go,a major ammo manufacture once told me that they make much more money on shell sales in the first week of Dove season that they do ALL YEAR in target loads! The cost of Remington primers make them out of the question for me. I can get a lot more bang for the buck buying after market primers. I find myself shopping for reloading deals a lot more to make up for shot cost. Haven't used Remington primers in the last few years!

Awhile back, I spent a few hours on the net searching for Remington pistol bullets and brass. Generally, if it said Remington, and it was out of stock, there was a notation that said "No back order option."

Bass Pro has Gun Clubs on sale @ $4.97/box in NY!

All of us need to be aware that Remington was recently purchased by a company called the Freedom Group. With a little on line check you will find that this company is ownerd by George Soros. It is the mission of George Soros that all guns should be eliminated from private citizens. This is another double edge sword, if you buy from them you are supporting a person that wants to take away your 2nd amendment rights. But if you don't buy it may give cause to close yet another gun related company. I for one have chosen not to purchase anything from Remington due to who owns Remington. Just a thought but remember all of this for November. If someone finds that I am wrong about the current owner please let me know.

Dennis DeVault

According to the NRA Soros has nothing to do with the Freedom Group or Cerberus.

Tim

Dennis- The freedom group/Soros connection has been debunked so many times its not funny. You'll come to the same conclusion with a little research on google. NRA even put out a press release refuting that internet rumor months and months ago.

skeet_man , I'm curious about your comment that the Gun Club primer looks like a "Winchester primer externally." That should mean that the primer pocket in the hull would be shaped like a Win primer and will not cause the seating problems of the past. ???

From the NRA site:

An old rumor has once again resurfaced alleging that Cerberus--the private equity firm that owns Freedom group, a holding company that in turn owns a number of firearms manufacturers, including Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster, and DPMS--is in some way tied to George Soros.

This rumor is completely false and baseless.

Following is a statement from Freedom Group, Inc., addressing the rumor:

Despite rumors to the contrary, Cerberus Capital Management, L.P., the firm which owns Freedom Group. Inc. (FGI), the holding company for such firearms manufacturers as Remington, Marlin, Bushmaster and DPMS, is in NO WAY affiliated with anti-gun activist George Soros.

George Soros has never been a part of Freedom Group or Cerberus. Further, as Cerberus is a privately owned corporation, run by sportsmen, shooters and firearms enthusiasts, we can say with great sincerity and certainty that George Soros will never be a part of the Freedom Group family of companies.

"If anyone should know whether George Soros is affiliated with either Freedom Group or Cerberus, it's me," said George Kollitides, Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of FGI. "I spent the last eleven years of my career at Cerberus and just recently stepped down to become executive chairman and chief executive officer of FGI. I did this in order to devote 100 percent of my time, effort and passion to a company I spent years building. I can emphatically proclaim, without the slightest of doubt, that George Soros has never, does not and never will own or be affiliated with Cerberus or Freedom Group.”

With respect to Gun Club primers, they are cheap Spanish primers now as far as I can tell. They are neither Rem nor Win 209's. They seem to have a very brittle cup and I have been puncturing them with my K80 firing pins at least a few out of every box (20 ga) and have set them aside before it costs me more for new pins. Its too bad because GC's used to be a very good and reasonably priced shell.

Johnny- No clue. I have 2 boxes sitting here, and don't really want to cut one apart just to look at the primer. The similarities may be cosmetic only, I really don't know.

For what it's worth, I've never had problems seating ANY primer in a Rem hull like some people seem to.

skeet_man , Looks like I misunderstood your comment. I thought you had seen the whole primer removed from the hull.

Baron23 , are the Gun Club primers you mention the same physical shape as a standard Rem primer?

Yeah, they look close enough but the color of the cup is a deeper copper color than the rem 209s that you buy for reloading or in STS shells.

These seem to have appeared in my last bulk purchase this past winter, they are brittle and in almost every box I have at least a few where I will puncture the primer when shot in my k80. Never had this problem before and don't have it with any premium shell.

Ljutic73, If you don't see what you want ask them to order them for you and they will, otherwise I'm sure the store that you are refering to will go out of business because you won't shop there ... (Yeah right, lol, lol) ... There is a local shooter who says he won't step into a WalMart store, he asks me to pick up his shells all the time when they have a big sale, I declined ... Guess who I saw walking of of the WalMart store that he would rather die than go into ... Yep, you guessed it ... If WalMart had any more business they would have to hire more help ... Step aside so the next person can get in with out having to dodge you ... WPT ... (YAC) ...

PS .. THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT ...

Better than your average thread.

WPT...our "local" outdoor retailer in Lethbridge is Wholesale Sports...and they didn't have one box of trap loads last April and won't special order squat. The other retail alternatives in Alberta are Bass Pro in Calgary (never been there...don't even know if they carry trap loads + they are 2.5 hours away), and Cabela's in Edmonton 5.5 hours away. So I support one of our Alberta shooters who is also a Winchester ammo dealer and I buy my AA's from him.

Excellent thread. I heard that the best shells are made near area 51.

I agree with MIA on this Thread!

Tarheel

I get perfectly fine results using reclaimed lead and reclaimed wads in my used hulls.

Reclaimed powder and primers however don't work very well.

Pete