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Dave P 07-Jul-12 - 08:29 PM ET
hmb 07-Jul-12 - 08:51 PM ET
jim brown 07-Jul-12 - 08:54 PM ET
C.E.Burgess 07-Jul-12 - 09:03 PM ET
stokinpls 07-Jul-12 - 09:07 PM ET
wm rike 07-Jul-12 - 09:08 PM ET
school_teacher 07-Jul-12 - 10:40 PM ET
halfmile 08-Jul-12 - 12:31 AM ET
davidjayuden 08-Jul-12 - 12:36 AM ET
Brian in Oregon 08-Jul-12 - 03:39 AM ET
Setterman 08-Jul-12 - 12:46 PM ET
Dave P 08-Jul-12 - 07:08 PM ET
buzz-gun 08-Jul-12 - 09:48 PM ET
davidjayuden 08-Jul-12 - 11:31 PM ET
C.E.Burgess 09-Jul-12 - 02:39 AM ET
Brian in Oregon 09-Jul-12 - 03:44 AM ET
school_teacher 09-Jul-12 - 06:44 AM ET
hmb 09-Jul-12 - 07:31 AM ET
oz 09-Jul-12 - 07:34 AM ET
wolfram 09-Jul-12 - 01:36 PM ET
CalvinMD 09-Jul-12 - 02:14 PM ET
halfmile 09-Jul-12 - 02:48 PM ET
davidjayuden 09-Jul-12 - 03:15 PM ET
hmb 09-Jul-12 - 05:20 PM ET
davidjayuden 09-Jul-12 - 08:15 PM ET
oz 09-Jul-12 - 08:32 PM ET
CalvinMD 09-Jul-12 - 10:43 PM ET
Brn 725 10-Jul-12 - 09:29 AM ET


Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Dave P
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 08:29 PM ET
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I have several rifles beside my trap guns. This may not be the correct forum to ask this but tough shit to those that don't think so.

My point is I want to find some scopes that are parralax(sp) black ring free. I have tried to read the many product ads. but that gets beyond my patience level. I kow that this is a site of knowledgeable shooters so I ask you politely to help me out here on selecting a middle of the road ($)scope of various, (and your experience). I shoot anything between .223 and .308. Also what are the difference between the types of prisms. Your experience would be appreciated. Thanks, Dave

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: hmb
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 08:51 PM ET
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No such thing as parallax free. Some scopes have an adjustable objective lens. That way you can get rid of the parallax at any given yardage. Those are target grade scopes. Hunting scopes an not adjustable and are preset for a given yardage, usually around 125 yards. HMB

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: jim brown
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 08:54 PM ET
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Parallax is resent in all scopes. It can be adjuster out in models that have AO or adjustable objective. A typical scope is only parallax free at the range the objective lense is set for. Hunting scopes without AO are usually set for 100 yards. This gives acceptable results out to about 300 yards nd down to about 50 yards for hunting size targets. If you are hunting a scope without AO is the best choice because you may not have the time or measurements to adjust. If you are a target shooter or long range varminter a scope with AO is clearly the best choice.

You can see how much parallax is present by holding the rifle absolutely stationary in a rest then moving your eye behind the scope. Parallax is the movement of the cross hairs on the target while the rifle remains absolutely stationary. Generally speaking parallax is present without regard to the price of the scope at quality of the lenses. Price and quality does however impact other important things.

From an old long range varminter. Hope that helps.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: C.E.Burgess
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 09:03 PM ET
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Parralax means distortion. Put the gun on a steady bag and look at the target at any distance. Then w/o moving or even touching the gun move your eye left and right. If the hairs move, that's parralax. Turn the adjustable AO until you can do that w/o the hairs moving and it is then parralax free at that distance. Scope models without the adjustable AO knob can stay pretty darn still doing this in fine quality scopes like the Nightforce hunting models at around $1,300. Hunting models are better off without the AO knob because they take too much time to adjust. Leupold VX-I is fine quality for barely 300 shimolians. Best cheaper scope presently is Redfield now owned by Leupold and built Leupold's way.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: stokinpls
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The scopes that have a side focus (third knob on the left side) are what you're looking for, but it'll be tough to find a mid $ one. The side focus has replaced the adjustable objective to minimize the parallax. Nightforce is one of the better ones, however their prices have really jumped in recent years. Leupold and Sightron are also worth a look. Good luck.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: wm rike
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 09:08 PM ET
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As noted in the previous posts, most scopes have parallax set for about 100 yds. High-end scopes (i.e., target/varmit) are parallax-adustable, but it has to be reset for each change in distance-to-target. This whole parallax thing is why some scopes are designated for smallbore use (.22 rimfire) where it is understood that the shooting will usually be well within 50 yds. and something set for 100 yds. just won't cut it.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: school_teacher
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Date: Sat, Jul 07, 2012 - 10:40 PM ET
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I purchased a Leupold Vari-X II 3x9 AO in 1989 and mounted it on a Marlin 336 lever action in .35 Remington. I paid more for the scope and mounts than I did for the rifle but it has been a joy to use over the years.

In Kentucky, the typical shot on a deer is about 50 yards so that is where I set the AO. The view through the scope at 3X was super bright and super clear. This added valuable shooting time at the beginning and end of each day and I often put it to good use. I even took a nice 8 pointer at over 135 yards in the first few moments of daylight.

I have bought several Leupold's with AO since then and it is a very good investment to make.

Ed Ward

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: halfmile
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 12:31 AM ET
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Buy a Nikon Buckmaster, they have side focus and several reticles available without killing your wallet. Many power options to suit your purpose.

Optics Planet should have decent prices.

HM

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: davidjayuden
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 12:36 AM ET
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I agree that you can't go wrong with a Leupold, even if you're not buying all their bells and whistles. Vari-X II, Vari-X III, etc. And a scope without an external parallax adjustment ring is not necessarily an inaccurate scope. So long as the same face is behind the scope, the eye will generally be in very nearly the same location, so no change in POI. Consistancy = accuracy. And regarding more knobs to adjust on your scope, like a accomplished trap shooter told be once regarding adjustable features on the trap gun, sometimes "they help you adjust your way into misses." Seems to me like we are being sold a bill of goods with these new $1400 "tactical" scopes that we just can't live without. What's next, Zombie ammo? dju

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Brian in Oregon
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 03:39 AM ET
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davidjayuden hits the nail on the head. The trick to using a scope without a parallax adjustment is a consistent cheekweld and proper stock comb to scope geometry that places your eye dead center with the scope centerline.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Setterman
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 12:46 PM ET
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I'll second halfmile's recommendation of the Nikon Buckmaster. Have a 6 x 18 on my AR 5.56. I have been very pleased with the quality and flexibility.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Dave P
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 07:08 PM ET
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Thanks for all your experienced and educated replys. I will take them all into consideration. Dave

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: buzz-gun
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 09:48 PM ET
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The parallax adjustment is just minutely refocusing the image to be in the focal plane of the reticle for your given distance. As others said above, don't worry about it overy much. Regardless of scope, if you keep your eye centered with the crosshair, there is no parallax by definition.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: davidjayuden
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Date: Sun, Jul 08, 2012 - 11:31 PM ET
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So just for the sake of conversation, let me ask this. Does a cheaper scope have more (greater) parallax than a more expensive one, even if both have no external adjustment options? So if you bench both scopes and move your head side to side behind them, does the cheaper scope's crosshairs move more than the higher quality scope? dju

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: C.E.Burgess
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 02:39 AM ET
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Yes.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Brian in Oregon
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 03:44 AM ET
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Keep in mind that "barrel distortion" and "pincushion" are often mistaken for parallax. These are bigger problems on cheaper scopes than the parallax issue.

While this site is for telescopes, it has illustrations of barrel distortion and pincushion.

There is also a combination of both distortions called "moustache distortion". This is especially seen in cheap binoculars. They display barrel distortion in the center and pincushion at the edges.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: school_teacher
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 06:44 AM ET
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Also, just for the sake of conversation, lower priced scopes have brightness issues, often have multi-part tubes, have significantly less eye relief, less field of view and, on variable power scopes, the point of impact changes significantly as the degree of magnification changes.

I prefer Leupold scopes. They cost more but have a lifetime free service warranty and just perform better in the field. I like to see the little gold ring on the objective lens, it is a touch of class.

If you shop EBAY, there are typically many Leupold's offered for sale. Newer models can be pricy but sometimes you can find a good deal on an older model. Ring marks on the scope tube do not affect the optics. The lifetime Leupold warranty is not limited to the original owner.

An older Leupold 3X9 AO at under $200 is a good deal unless you really need high magnification.

Ed Ward

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: hmb
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 07:31 AM ET
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Before adjusting the objective lens you should adjust the lens nearest your eye to get the crosshairs clear and sharp. That will enable you to get the target image and crosshairs in the same plane. HMB

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: oz
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 07:34 AM ET
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black ring???? hyour kids are putting shoe polish on your scopes objective lens rings again.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: wolfram
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 01:36 PM ET
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Most guys tend to get a lot more magnification than they really need. The problems of parallax and the 'black ring' (eye relief) increase with magnification.

One of my favorite big game scopes is the Leupold VXIII 1.5x5. This is a great compact scope that is capable of precision work at suprisingly long range. It has a generous range of eye relief so the 'black ring' doesn't come into play in most any shooting position. You won't be able to detect a parallax shift either. But what you do have is crystal clear optics in a very rugged and small package. It works for me out here in the open country of Northern NV and I do shoot extended distances.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: CalvinMD
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 02:14 PM ET
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Didn't quite understand your black ring reference...do you mean you see a black ring around your field of view? Or are you referring to the black adjustment ring on the scopes objective end???...if you are speaking of the first instance thats more a function of eye relief..if you see a black ring looking through it ..then usually its because you are too far back and need to get the scope closer to your eye...it should then disappear when you find the correct distance...be careful if you have a hard kicker though or its your eye that will be black

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: halfmile
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 02:48 PM ET
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For further confusion, here's a bit on eye relief. I was told at a scope seminar that the reason people love Leupy's is they have a very forgiving eye relief. I concur.

He also said that other expensive scopes will have a less forgiving eye relief but a much wider field of view, which may be desirable for long range hunting like antelope and sheep. Apparently the scope, if made for eye relief will have less field of view, and you can't have it both ways.

My deer gun has a Leupy 3x that snaps the picture into view instantly as AI mount the rifle if a deer jumps up. Good.

For Pdogs I use 6-24 Nikons and a Zeiss that I peer through all day with no fatigue. Also good.

You just have to fit the tool to the job.

HM

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: davidjayuden
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 03:15 PM ET
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Couple of points. Regarding the phrase "black ring", I've never heard it before but assume that it refers to the bruise one gets from getting too close to a recoiling scope. In the same vane as the dreaded "M1 thumb"... And I've got to agree, that we are being sold way more magnification than we need or should be using. Too little magnification makes you aim and concentrate a bit harder. Too much makes you miss shots entirely. Try to pick up a running coyotoe with that blasted ring set on 12x instead of 4x, where it should be. Those that think that they need a $1600 24X tactical scope on their .223 need to take an iron sighted M1 Garand to the range and learn what they can really do with no glass whatsoever. dju

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: hmb
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 05:20 PM ET
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The black ring is a visual effect that occurs when your eye relief distance is not correct. HMB

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: davidjayuden
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 08:15 PM ET
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I stand corrected. Thanks. dju

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: oz
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 08:32 PM ET
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the bruise from a scope is called magnum eyebrow... the high magnification is good on the range so you can see your holes in the target without getting up and walking to the target. Those of you with spotting scopes disregard. low power reduces the shaking. None of my shotguns are scoped. most scopes under 10x do not have parallel adjustment.

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: CalvinMD
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Date: Mon, Jul 09, 2012 - 10:43 PM ET
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My favorite scopes are 2x-7x Leupolds just because they are compact but still bright without an enormous obj. dia....I like them as low to the bore as I can get them..I do have a 1.5x-5x on my 45-70 though..works great too..tons of eye relief for when I shoot those stoked up molar rattlers

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Subject: Rifle scope Parralax
From: Brn 725
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Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 - 09:29 AM ET
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Check out Trijicon before you buy. They are very nice for hunting and our troops use a lot of them too.

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