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Your bailout dollars at work,,,,$1 gallon gas tax

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Jun 8, 2011.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Yea,,,,government motors....
     
  2. vhntr1

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    What an idiot let just trash our economy a little more I will never buy another GM product again!
     
  3. GW22

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    Welcome aboard. If I ever buy another GM, someone please put a bullet in my head.

    -Gary
     
  4. capulona

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    My 2 cents: Crude oil is a finite resource. It'll run out, sooner or later, and we'd better be prepared when that eventuality happens. Renewable resources is really the only way to go. This is for the future of our children.
     
  5. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    Dan Akerson joined GM's board of directors in July of 2009 representing the interests of the U.S. Treasury. At the time the Treasury (as a proxy for U.S. citizens) owned 61% of the company. Akerson was a loyal and compliant stooge so tax cheat Geithner (Obummer's Sec. of the Treasury) appointed Akerson GM's CEO.

    sissy
     
  6. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    capulona,,,,may run out,,,,but it won't be in the next 3 generations if we are allowed to drill where WE need to,,,,during that time the technology will hopefully design the replacement,,,,NOW fossil fuel is the way, unless you know a "renewable resource" that is available and can function as well,,,,just making it more expensive doesn't FIX it,,,,that is just a liberal's fantasy....
     
  7. hrosik123

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    Natural gas is the best play for an immediate solution. All that money for the clunkers program did nothing. We could have helped to subsidize nat gas conversions for vehicles. The biggest benefit would have been all the new jobs created in retro fitting fuel stations with nat gas pumps so Americans could cross the country with nat gas. Th administration dropped the ball on this one. Good luck Chuck Hrosik
     
  8. bigdogtx

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    Chuck,,,,and WE have more than everyone else in the world....
     
  9. cbxchris

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    NO domestic vehicle will be in my name after I unload this POS GMC truck. Never again......
     
  10. Don Steele

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    NEVER FAILS folks....Government Motors can't get enough people to buy their undersized, overpriced junk so this guy...their hand-picked CEO...wants to FORCE you to buy them. First..He'll try to FORCE you through your wallet. Mark my words...if THAT FAILS...he'll be perfectly willing to FORCE you through legislative action with fines and jail time waiting for anyone who fails to comply. SOunds crazy doesn't it...!!?? Go to jail 'cause you bought the wrong car..???
    My father would NEVER have believed our government would pass a law that would put him in jail if he failed to buy the "Correct" health insurance.
    IT NEVER FAILS...scratch a liberal deeply enough, and you will ALWAYS find a jack-booted fascist THUG.
     
  11. K-GUNS

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    I have a friend who worked for the gas companay.They had vehicles that ran on propane. When they got old,he was allowed to buy the service truck he used.

    Well here in pa the govt did not want to allow him license to drive it on the road. They didn't know how to charge him. Seems they have tax on gas and registration fees and with him using propane ...he is not paying his share of the fuel tax.He ended up converting back to reg gas at the time and this was perhaps 15-20 yrs ago. Not sure what happens with todays laws.

    Don't forget the country of Brazil-they converted to ethanol years ago.They do not import any oil at all

    If a third world country can do that why can't we ? GREED, thats why, govt and big business are afraid of some people loosing jobs, but forget about creating new one in that field.

    It will be the same big company selling ethanol as now sell oil.
     
  12. bigdogtx

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    Crab,,,if Brazil doesn't import any oil at all,,,,why did hussein give them a permit to drill in the Gulf of Mexico???? Hmmmm
     
  13. Garry

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    Bigdogtx,

    Why did Hussein give Brazil a permit to drill in the Gulf of Mexico? Answer, because George Soros owns a substantial number of shares in Petrobras, the Brazilian Oil Company who received the permit.

    Soros was a major contributor to the Obama campaign - this was payback money from Obama to Soros.
     
  14. hrosik123

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    The sad part is that we as a nation have been caught in this vicious circle of "energy independence" for far too long. The DC big wigs talk about it every election cycle and we sit back and eat the tripe they feed us. The only thing thats independent is the politicians and oil company execs who have become independently wealthy. We'll have another 4 years of talk by Obama or the person who beats him. 20 years down the road we'll be having the same conversation. Good luck Chuck Hrosik
     
  15. Recoil Sissy

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    hrosik123:

    You wrote, "All that money for the clunkers program did nothing". Au contraire Chuck! My friend, (we can call him Howard) has a shiny new electric golf cart because of the clunkers program. His only out of pocket expense was for delivery. Howard looks darn good stylin' around gun clubs in his spiffy new cart. Truth be told, I'm a little jealous.

    It's all about buying votes for libs. I know my friend Howard doesn't support Obummer or his socialist crew so his good fortune was an unintended consequence of somebody else getting paid off. I didn't look but I'm guessing the U.A.W. represents some of Textron's employees.

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    I'm glad that the program helped out Howard. As far as the outlook for the economy it did nothing. I hope Howie gives you a ride down to the bank you're shooting on so you can feel like you got something out of the program also. Good luck Chuck Hrosik
     
  17. K-GUNS

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    bigdogtx, they will drill for oil off our coast, then sell it back to us for a huge profit. Their not stupid, we are...check that, its our own govt screwing us. But then we already know that, question is how do we stop it ? Takes too long to vote them out of office,one at a time.
     
  18. amboy49

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    To quote Mark Twain commenting on the government:

    "If it moves - tax it, if it still moves - regulate it, if it stops moving - subsidize it."

    Just came back from an energy conference - one of the speakers was the G.M. Sr. V.P. in charge of development of the electric car - Chevy's Volt. Interesting subject matter. How many average drivers in the U.S. will pay $40,000 for a car that has an 80 mile travel capability. Oh yes, that's if you don't turn on the air conditioner ! Drops to half.

    Yes, you do have to "drill" for natural gas. But the U.S. is the Saudi Arabia of natural gas. No permits have been issued by the administration to drill in a 4,000 square reserve in Montana/North Dakota. And on . . . . . and on.

    The energy crisis this country faces can be solved - but not with the do-nothing congress and clueless president we now have.
     
  19. Don Steele

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    Here's a somewhat frightening UPDATE on my earlier comment. After posting, I left for work. On that ride, I realized it's all there....the technology for the government to put you in the automobile THEY CHOOSE is either already in place, or on the table getting a serious look from Congress. Here's how it's done:
    WHEN..(not if..) they get meters in every car to track the number of miles driven...(this is already on the table you know...highway tax revenue from gasoline sales has fallen and there are already proposals to tax us by number of miles driven)It is a simple matter for DOT to maintain a database of how many miles you are racking up. The class of car(categorized by mileage)you will be permitted to own will be based on how many miles you drive. When you want to register a new vehicle, the seller has to get an OK from the government that you "qualify" for that class before completing the sale(very simple computer "insta-check"). Law enforcement can even conduct periodic "road checks" to ensure people aren't driving the wrong class of vehicle.
    Welcome to the Brave New World of liberal fascism. If this all sounds like paranoid CRAZY TALK..NEVER HAPPEN....just substitute "health insurance" and understand that IT ALREADY HAS. If you like this kind of country...be sure to thank all your union buddies who contributed tens of millions of campaign dollars to bring this gang of thugs to Washington...this is THEIR IDEA of PARADISE.
     
  20. j2jake

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    Who's to say the forces that created the first drop of crude are not still at work keeping the supply growing? I've been hearing for 60 years we are going to run out, yet new finds are still happening. Reducing consumption and emmisions are a good thing but my questions stands. Jake
     
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