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Yardage Reductions

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Old Cowboy, Jul 15, 2008.

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  1. Old Cowboy

    Old Cowboy Active Member

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    What percentage of yardage reductions based on 1000 target reviews are refused?

    John C. Saubak
     
  2. jackmitch

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    i've refused 4 out of 5 if that helps. finally took the last one. pride doesn't get you very far in trap shootin. jackmitch
     
  3. BIGDON

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    I turned down a couple this last year and have also recieved 2 punches from the 27 in the last couple of weeks and the point is??

    Don
     
  4. SILVER S 007

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    NON NOW come on there BIGDON you were on the 26 till last week I think thats what he means. you must not have turned down that last one.

    got yea
     
  5. IndyJohnO

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    I turned one down.

    And after thinking about it.....that was really stupid!

    JohnO
     
  6. Frank C

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    I turned one down from 26.5 to 25.5.....haven't had a score above 90 since...some in the 70's tho....
     
  7. Old Cowboy

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    ".........and the point is??" I'm not making a point, I'm just wondering----what percentage of the reductions sent out are turned down, and what percentage are accepted?

    John C. Saubak
     
  8. phirel

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    Neil posted the accurate number a couple of years ago, but I do not remember the number. I will help classify tomorrow at the Southern Zone along with a member of the CHC. I will ask Terry R. if he has an accurate and current statistic.

    Pat Ireland
     
  9. BIGDON

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    Silver: Sorry I have shot from the 27 for the last 5+ years and have had several punches from there and because of the amount of targets I shoot I have turned down reductions from there.

    Don
     
  10. Neil Winston

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    I don't remember exactly either, Pat. And it's become way more complicated over time anyway.

    There are two ways to refuse a reduction:

    1. By assigning yourself a "D" or a "K" code, either of which will tell the Vandalia office - the computer there anyway - to pass you over. The delegate sees that and I'd say it might be five or ten percent on a particular reduction cycle.

    2. Then there those who get a reduction and send it back as well and those who simply keep shooting from where they are. The delegate doesn't get notification of this.

    Then there are things like H codes (two year holds for 1 1/2 yard punches) and I codes (voluntary yardage additions) that might well affect people who would refuse reductions but don't get them for other reasons. In other words, the "refusal" figure is not the clean number you might think it to be, it's partly determined by "non-resusal" factors.

    Before all this, when it was pretty much shoot it or lose it, I did see that while about 20% (as I remember) was a fair national figure, state and regional differences were prominent. I do not recall the state where reductions are most accepted, but I do remember being surprised that with all this talk about a particular state, that's where the rate of refusals was _highest_, about 30%.

    Neil
     
  11. SILVER S 007

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    well then you better tell the ata that they have you on the 26.5 and was at the 26 before that maybe they are wrong and dont know how good you are.How ever with that avg. you might want to think about thaking 1 or 2
     
  12. BIGDON

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    Silver I am so glad that you have nothing better to do than check my averages, maybe you should check the last 1000 targets, and be so concerned where I shoot from. I guess as long as I am spending my money and not yours you can take your info and put it you know where.

    Don
     
  13. BIGDON

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    Jerry: I am looking forward to that somewhat feeble attempt as someone has to help pay my fuel bill to get down to you. Don't tell old silver or is that sliver but the ATA made a error and it is now corrected. I like to keep those averages low so that I can sneak on unsuspecting soles such as you. Sorry you are not coming to the Grand, you could bring old snivler with you but he would probably bitch about the trophies.

    Don
     
  14. SILVER S 007

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    ok now lets think about this I keep my averages down so i can SNEAK in on some unsuspecting soles!!!!!!!!!!!!( in kentucky they call it sandbagging) I dont know for sure what they call in in mich....AND he would bitch about the trophies indcating that I would win some.. RIGHT again.....I would not think you will have that chance.And old silver will be there. so have at it there sneaky... we will see.and i must say you are doing a great job at keeping those averages low
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    see yea
     
  15. BIGDON

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    Why don't you bring your decrepit old butt up north and try shooting some of these targets, snowing, blowing, cold and see where your average is. How do I sneak up on anybody from AA27A. If I wanted to sneak up on anyone I would take the reductions from the bad winter targets I shoot. From what I understand all you do is bitch and moan about everything anyway. Bob go have a good life and let me worry about my averages, which by the way I don't.

    Don
     
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    I shoot from the 27 but belong at the 21. I'm waiting for the ATA to assign me a 6 yard reduction by virtue of longevity. Look out Harlan!!
     
  17. BIGDON

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    Jerry; You are the only one I'm trying to sneak up on. But old Bob talks about sandbagging, How does he win as often as he claims and stay on the 25? Now that's what I call target management. Get comfy because it takes Bob a while to get up a head of steam and retort. I really don't know why he keeps wanting to start something with me. Maybe he is bored. I do find it entertaining tho.

    Don
     
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