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X-mas is Now about Greed.

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Auctioneer, Nov 8, 2010.

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  1. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    I had to get a birthday card and went to Hallmark store. They in late July early Aug already had their X-mas items out. So did some other stores. Damn I hate to see X-mas items out that early. I would like to have a law passed that says X-mas stuff can't be put up till after Thanksgiving. That wouldn't hurt a thing.
     
  2. crusha

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    "Now?" Capital "N?"


    I got a clue for you:


    If it's an American holiday - it's about greed - and always was.


    (Insert pious, blathering messages from Pat Robertson wannabes below >>>>>>>)
     
  3. Big Heap

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    Santa has to make a living, too.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Easter is the most important Christian holiday anyway. Or at least it should be.

    We don't even know if Christ was born in December. Dec 25th was picked to have a Christian holiday displace a long existing pagan holiday.

    Easter is about the message of Christ, which is the resurrection.
     
  5. trapshootin hippie

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    Brian, if you dont know whether or not Christ was born in December, how do ya know he was resurected at Easter time? Not to start an arguement, just a question?

    Sorry for getting a lil bit off topic.

    Gne J
     
  6. chuckles

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    Auctioneer.....its not greed its Capitalism...its what America is all about.

    We need Christmas cards and stuff... July isn't too early.

    Lighten up....

    Chas
     
  7. porky

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    The coporate powers are just trying to get us in the spirit to buy presents. They don't care when, they just want us to continue buyin or else they won't have a good year. Remember that they want us to buy 10% more this year than last. Spending just as muchisn't good enough because they gave all the coporate bonuses and big raises out already and want to continue.
     
  8. shooterIII

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    Auctioneer--It's CHRISTMAS not X-mas!!!!!!
     
  9. timberfaller

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    In defence of Brian, and an attempt to answer hippie's question, The dates for Christmas and Easter were set by congress.

    The time of year is based on the Jewish calender. The exact day is not important.

    Santa claus and the easter bunny is the world's attempt at taking away the true meaning of the holidays.

    The world is about GREED when it comes to celebrating these 2 days!

    Where I live Christmas stuff hits the selves a week before holloween.

    I've raised my family to celebrate EACH day for what it means and forget about the greedy stores. Because they won't change their practices except through group effort and the people today can't be inconvienced to make that happen.
     
  10. porky

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    Actually, the date for Christmas was of a German group and the Christain holiday was set at that time of year to counter the the Festival celebrating the Evergreen tree. Christ was actually born sometime in MArch.( The Scholars actually have pinpointed the date using information about when Elizabelt, the mother of John the Baptist became pregnant. Usually Holidays are set around Equinox's. Easter is set according to the Jewish calender. Congress set Thanksgiving, July 4th, Labor and Memorial Day, the President's holiday and Martin Luther King's Bithday. The 12 days of Christmas is the old fashioned Christmas celebrated after the New year. And there are some groups that still celebrate that,but that is a bit expensive for most.
     
  11. grnberetcj

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    Merely a variation on the celebration of the Winter Solstice.

    When was Christmas as we observe it, ever not about greed?

    As stated above, Easter is the more important observance of the christian faith.

    Curt
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    trapshootin hippie, quote: <i>"Brian, if you dont know whether or not Christ was born in December, how do ya know he was resurected at Easter time? Not to start an arguement, just a question?

    Sorry for getting a lil bit off topic.

    Gne J"</i>

    Actually, that's a good question. And it isn't off topic.

    We do know some dates with reasonable accuracy.

    Christians celebrate Easter as the time Christ was crucified. That coincides with Passover. From there, the exact dates for the Last Supper and Good Friday are a bit murky. The Last Supper was supposed to be on the first day of Passover, and His crucifixion was supposed to be the next day. (Which makes me wonder just how far it was between Herod and Pilate.) There are problems with trying to establish exact dates before 500 AD. Interestingly we do know the time of day of the crucifixion. It happened during the same time the lambs were being slaughtered in the temple for Passover. That would take place at the 9th hour, which counts from 6AM (daybreak). So that would be 3PM.

    As for Christmas, it is generally believed that the date was chosen to displace a pagan holiday. While that may be true, there are also several other theories about this.

    If this subject interests you, click the link for more information. Quite a fascinating subject.
     
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    grnberetcj, quote: <i>"...When was Christmas as we observe it, ever not about greed?"</i>

    Christmas to many early Christians was not about materialism. From the link in my previous post:

    <i>"....As late as 245, Origen, in his eighth homily on Leviticus, repudiates as sinful the very idea of keeping the birthday of Jesus "as if he were a king Pharaoh." Thus, it was important to the early Christians not to have indecorous parties on that day, but to keep it a time of devotion, reflection, and communion."</i>

    Even Charles Dickens reminded everyone 167 Christmases ago what the real meaning of Christmas was all about. Pity so many see "A Christmas Carol" as entertainment and not as such a reminder.
     
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    Better yet, volunteer to work on a canned food drive for the poor. I think Jesus would rather see that than have you listen to a choir.
     
  15. xringjim

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    It's not a question about 'faith' or 'religion'. But what's in your heart. The 'money changers' will always be with us. Just as the poor. Who knows, maybe the stores celebrating Christmas 365 days a year will be able to do what our churches have been unable to do on Sundays alone. Jim
     
  16. Savage99Stan

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    Our church is trying something different this year....we're encouraging folks to take the money they'd spend on things no one wants anyway and donating it to a mission. My wife and I are taking the money we'd spend on each other and sending it to GO ministries in the Dominican Republic. We went there in June and helped build a church, helped feed homeless kids and are certain the funds will be applied where they'll do the most good.

    We'll still buy some stuff for the grandkids...of course.
     
  17. SirMissalott

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    Not to start an argument but I think greed is an overused word in today's vocabulary similar to racist. There obviously are racists people as there also is greedy people, however just because I disagree with a persons political views and they have different skin color doesn't make me a racist. Much the same as I can't consider someone greedy who has made (earned) more $$ than me. I think that means they are either smarter or harder working than I am. I do consider it greedy for someone who never worked or has no plans to WORK for a living and are quite content to sit on they're butts and collect from those who are willing to do what ever it takes to get the job done!! As Milton Freedman states " if you want to keep someone POOR just GIVE them money. just my $.02
     
  18. Auctioneer

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    Oct should be a time for Halloowen, Nov is a time for Thanksgiving. THEN its time for Christmas. In that order. Christmas shouldn't come out till after Thanksgiving.

    I'm one of those people who when going in to a store and see christmas stuff up in July, Aug, Sept, Oct and Nov will ask them "What month is it?" They will say what ever it is. I will look puzzled and and then say depending on the month say its not christmas.
     
  19. shelly

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    Some trapshooters blather on about greed more than Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid combined.
     
  20. Auctioneer

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    Shelly, I take it you own a store.
     
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