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WW 452 AA ?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by Hammer1, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. Hammer1

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    Moving some stuff around came across a couple of 8-pound unopened cans of WW 452 AA from thirty years ago.

    It has been in a dry temperature controlled environment all this time.

    How would I determine if it is still any good ?

    Given the troubles of finding shotshell powders these days, I am tempted to use the 452 AA.

    If I remember correctly, it was a popular trap shotshell powder in its day.
     
  2. Shooting Sailor

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    If the storage environment was as you say, it should still be good. Pop it open and take a sniff. If it smells sweet, it's still good. If you are still leery of using it, send it to me for proper disposal.
     
  3. skeet_man

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    I got a couple lb as part of a reloading lot I just bought (enough to load about 3 flats of shells). Still looks and smells perfect. I plan on burning it up in the next couple months for practice.

    According to the back of some period boxes of wads I got, using Winchester primers, hulls, and WAA12 wads:

    -22 grains gets you 1290fps w/ 1oz load (it mentions nothing about a 1oz wad though, you're still supposed to use the 1 1/8oz wad according to the box)
    -19.5gr grains gets you 1145fps with a 1 1/8oz load (the load I'll be using)
    -20.5 grains gets you 1200fps with a 1 1/8oz load

    Don't know how easy it'll be to find a recipe for other primer/hull/wad combos, luckily I already have the proscribed components to make the powder work easily.
     
  4. David McMillen

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    Should be the same recipes as loading WST.
     
  5. hmb

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    Best 12 gauge powder Winchester ever had. HMB
     
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  6. mg1polo

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    Don't even think about it David, It's completly different stuff!
     
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  7. David McMillen

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    Show me proof. And I'll show you mine.
     
  8. mg1polo

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    Hi, David,
    Here you go, this is the Winchester book Sir.
    You can see for yourself. Both powders are listed
    for both 1145fps and 1200fps.
    You do not need to show me any conflicting data.
    This is printed by Winchester.
    Good Luck,
    Mark
     
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    Not one load is the same!
     
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  13. David McMillen

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    From Winchesters 15th Edition, page 7, and it says, quote" Note: 452AA, 473AA, 571, and 680 powders have been discontinued. 571 and 680 have no replacements. 452AA & 473AA are superseded by the "Super" line of powders". Super line to me is WST and WSF. The 12th Edition was probably the last of showing load data for 452AA and Superseded by WST.
     
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    Superseded does not mean same burn rate, density, or energy level. It just means they replaced others in their product line.
     
  15. mag410

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    That is some curious logic. Supersedes means exact replacement?

    Winchester Model 1200 superseded the Model 12.

    1965 bimetal coins superseded the 1964 silver coins.

    You "proof" qualifies you for the job opening in the White House communications office.
     
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    OR replaced by,,
    Meaning its no longer made,
    Meaning use correct data for the correct powder.

    Now back to the original post, I can help you check that powder out if you want.

    DGH

    Edit, I just looked on a burn rate chart and they are different their as well
     
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  17. skeet_man

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    Emailed hogdon this morning, just recd this response:

    They are not the same powder and the WST data should not be used to load 452AA.

    Dave Campbell
    Customer Service Representative
    Hodgdon Powder Company
    6430 Vista Drive
    Shawnee, KS 66218
    913-362-9455 Ext. 117
    dcampbell@hodgdon.com
     
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  19. mg1polo

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    David,
    I'm just trying to help you out here. I have the Winchester Loading book that I copied you on.
    They are not the same powder. If you want, you can load as such, that's your business.
    If you PM me, I will send you a copy of the Last Winchester Reloading manual that lists BOTH powders.
    I have over a dozen in my possesion.
    PM me your address & I will put it in the mail to you.
    Best of Luck,
    Mark
     
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    Brent,
    I'd be willing to bet that it's perfectly good. If you smell it and it smells rancid,
    then it might be bad. I have powders that are over 30 years old that are perfect.
    25lb kegs.
    Load it and shoot it. The only thing that it would do if it was bad, was not fire or fire really weak.
    Load up a few, you will know right away.
    Good Luck,
    Mark
     
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