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WTF? Here's a trapshooting puzzler

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Ricky B, Apr 21, 2009.

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  1. Ricky B

    Ricky B TS Member

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    WTF? Here

    I went shooting this Sunday, and the results were so-so. I am near-sighted; the prescription is something like 1.5 or 2 diopters. I need the glasses when driving to be able to read the road signs at a distance. For the fourth round, I decided to shoot without my prescription glasses, just to see what would happen. I used an old pair of uncorrected shooting glasses.

    As it turns out, I shot better than the three previous rounds.

    Maybe I was just warming up, but I don't think that's it.

    Maybe it was the yellow lenses on the shooting glasses, but I don't think that's it either.

    So what gives? Any ideas why a near-sighted person would shoot trap better without corrective lenses?
     
  2. J.Woolsey

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    WTH? Here's a trapshooting puzzler

    Well you had to point the gun, You sure couldn't aim it. Not trying to be a wisenheimer, just pointing out what I perceive as the obvious. You were probably using a more proper technique due to the inability to align the sights and target. Then again I could be all wet. I'd check with an eye specialist, who is familiar with a trapshooters vision needs. JW
     
  3. Ricky B

    Ricky B TS Member

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    Actually, with the corrective lenses that I use for trapshooting, I can't focus well close up. Distance vision is quite sharp with the corrective lenses, but I can't focus on the beads at all with them on. Without the corrective lenses, I can see the beads quite sharply.

    And so far as I am able, I focus on the birds, not the beads, corrective lenses or no. But if I were doing a quick bead check mid-swing, it would be a lot easier without corrective lenses!
     
  4. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    try contacts. Most opts. will give you a trial pair. Accuvue oasys are great.
     
  5. hoggy

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    My guess is your depth perseption is better without your prescription glasses. I too am near sighted and have had several different glasses that had totally different depth perseption. I cannot explain why just know it to be true. Ever put your glasses on and look at the ground? Does the ground look farther or closer when you do so. Well that's how your perscription changes things. It very hard to get the perfect presciption that does not change that. Try it and see if you can tell. Of course if you shoot with 1 eye this won't matter, 2 eyes it does. Maybe depth perseption is even more important than clearity.
     
  6. hmb

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    It is possible that your corrective lenses offset the image of the target. Try a little test with your corrective lenses. Move your glasses up and down infront of your eyes while you look through the lenses at an object in the distance. Keep your head steady and look at the object with and without the lenses in front of your eyes. See if the object seems to move or jump to the left or right. HMB
     
  7. phirel

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    Ricky B- What you experienced is a puzzle. Nearsightedness (myopia) means you have difficulty focusing on distant objects. This is typically caused by a lens that is too thick or an eyeball that is elongated. To shoot trap well consistently, you need to see the target clearly.

    Possibly, with your glasses off, the target was a colored blurry blob and this made you concentrate more. One might argue that concentration is more important that seeing the target clearly, especially for a short time such as one round. You can't form any accurate conclusions from the results of 25 shots.

    The bright side is that several studies have shown a correlation between intelligence and myopia.

    My suggestion is wear your glasses and try both concentrating and seeing the target clearly.

    Pat Ireland
     
  8. pyrdek

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    On a different track, is it possible that the old glasses made you position your head slightly different on the stock? Maybe just a smidge higher or lower or maybe a bit closer or further back than normal?

    Another thought is that since the central part of the eye is the area that picks up more detail and sharper focus while the peripheral vision is much, much better at picking up motion, by defocusing your central vision, you, perhaps subconsciously even, used your peripheral vision to pick up the target movement faster. This may also result in the logical analytical functioning processes of your brain being reduced and the spatial relationships process being accentuated.

    I seem to recall some testing done at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado several years back that when they hooked up trapshooters to an EEG (or similar) device, they detected a small but still significant difference in scores when the brain cells used in spatial processing were showing a higher level of activity than when the analytical/mathematical processing areas showed the higher activity level. The feeling was that when the spatial side said "It looks right." the trigger was pulled. When the analytical side took precedence, by the time the solution to the problem (leads and windage etc.) was processed for a given target flight, the flight had changed from what the initial processing data showed. The brain then tried to re-calculate the optimum solution and so was always just a split second behind the spatial's "It looks right." solution.

    I know for myself, if I soft focus out front of the trap house I can pickup the bird faster in my peripheral vision than looking right at the trap house. I also notice that it takes longer for my eye to get in focus when going from a near focus point (be it the beads or even the traphouse roof) to a distant focus (like where the bird is flying). Going from a distant focus to a mid-distance focus happens noticeably faster.

    Maybe with you eye already slightly de-focused, you are letting your eye/brain do a better job of "detecting" rather than "seeing" the bird.
     
  9. whiz white

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    I agree with "pyrdek".

    You should be wearing some sort of glasses for eye protection anyway.

    I have the same Rx as you. Recently I went to the Eye Institute to consider eye surgery. The CEO's wife worked for me and I could have probably gotten it done for nothing. After several hours of exams and consultations, the doc came in and told me he did not want to do it. He said that I had 20-10 vision with glasses, and he couldn't even guarantee 20-20 with surgery.

    And, he said that my eyes continue to get getter with age. I think he said that at a certain age, I'd probably never have to wear them... like age 120!

    He then told me that I should be wearing eye protection in the first place.

    I sure need glasses for 27 yards because I shot so quickly that I NEED to see that target as it emerges from the traphouse.

    Whiz
     
  10. fritzi93

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    My guess, and it's only a guess:

    You experienced a common phenomenon, you change something and you shoot better, because you're concentrating better. It wears off when the change is no longer *new*. The most obvious example is when trying a different gun, maybe you shoot better, and think it's the answer to all your woes.

    Shoot that way for a month or two, then tell us how it went. One round is meaningless.
     
  11. bill1949

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    I seem to shoot better in the rain, I don't know if I concentrate harder or what but it is strange...Bill
     
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