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WOW! Redlands 1300 foot Shot Curtain.

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  1. ShotStop

    ShotStop Dedicatedto keeping gun clubs open and shooting.

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    This is Redlands’ recently completed 1,300 foot long shot curtain. The top is 39 feet high and it is positioned 80 to 90 yards from the 16 yard line. It was installed to prevent lead from being deposited into the Santa Ana River Wash which has been designated habitat for endangered species. It covers all the trap fields, skeet fields and the soon to be completed bunker fields. Without this installation, Redlands would have been forced to close which would have cost us one of the best places to shoot in the Country.


    A huge added bonus is that the curtain provides absolutely the best background to shoot against. All you see is the target against the light grey curtain. However, unlike an open sky background the curtain provides enough contrast to be able more easily judge the speed of the target making it easier to match gun tempo on the move to the target.


    The best part is that the shot that will be collected will actually pay for the total installation within a year to 18 months and then become an added profit center going forward. As you can see from the photos, the shot that comes off the screen is pretty much ready to shoot again. This shot was collected in a fabric test basin that prevents the shot from ever hitting the ground. The final phase of this project is the installation of the fabric catch system. This will allow the shot to be collected daily and immediately resold as reclaimed shot.


    We believe that the economics of installing a shot curtain system can even pay off for a one or two trap club shooting 3 days a week. So, if your club is putting lead where it really shouldn’t be going, DO NOT WAIT until the EPA comes calling. If you have to deal with a close down order it can more than double your costs of correction.


    For more info, visit the website above and give us a call.



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  2. W.P.T.

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    If it works as good as it looks you got a winner ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  3. Harv Shell

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    It's neat to watch the shot patterns hit the screen too. Harv
     
  4. perazziuser

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    Can the curtain come in a dark green? The range in Munich, Germany has a similar material laid on the ground which is cut out at an angle into a large hillside - BEST BACKGROUND IN THE WORLD. Huge scores.

    Jeff Holguin
     
  5. In plain view

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    Shot there sunday with Tri County. Background supperb and scores super high. Ownership of Redlands continues to make it one of the premier places to shoot in the country. Hats off to Terry and crew. Bob in Los Angeles
     
  6. hmb

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    How much did the curtain cost. HMB
     
  7. ShotStop

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    Jeff,

    We could do a special order in dark green, however, while you can't see it in the picture the fabric is a bit transparent so it will always appear lighter. Redlands is throwing orange but I think green would be pretty good as well but not if the fabric was green to start with.

    By example, this material is actually close to charcoal grey but with brown mountains behind it looks more like a light greyish brown. It also depends on how the sun is hitting it.
     
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    How does it hold up in a strong wind?
    Does the wind make it wave causing a goffy looking background?
    Nice idea though.
     
  9. ShotStop

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    hmb,

    The link above will take you to our pricing page. It shows a sample budget for a two trap installation. A lot depends on how much a club pays for poles, installation and rigging, but about $100 per foot is pretty close give or take $10-20 per foot.

    With a suspended fabric recovery system we estimate that you would recover 95% of the shot which would be saleable at say $1.00 per pound. Figuring about 1 ounce of lead per target, that would be 25 ounce of lead per round. So, if a club was shooting only shooting a pallet of targets per month that would generate about 7500- 7800 ounces per month or, 450-475 pounds. As such a $30,000 installation would payoff in about 5 years. Not a bad bargain to keep a club open.
     
  10. ShotStop

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    The Redlands installation is rated for 55 mph winds at a 90 degree angle. The fabric riffles a little is the wind is just a light breeze but you really don't notice it. It the breeze is fairly steady the fabric billows to which ever side the wind pushes it making pretty solid.
     
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    Your numbers are for one shooter - each full squad would generate five times those amounts.

    Ed
     
  12. Scott Johnson

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    Jim, that would not work in Mondamtana, at times we get gusts in excess of 100 m.p.h. we are on the east front of the Rockies, 35 miles out on the prairie, the wind gets a good run at us. Looks pretty cool though and a great idea. Scott
     
  13. ShotStop

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    Scott,

    Tomorrow we are testing a raising and lowering system that would allow the sections between the poles to be raised and lowered like the net behind the goal posts. Two guys could raise or lower it in no more time than it would take to put up the flag. It could be lowered and tied off on the bottom horizontal cable when not in use.

    The fabric only weighs 1/2 pound per foot so a 50 foot long panel only weighs about 25 pounds making a 4 panel section weigh in at 100.

    The system would also allow each section to be easily detached and stored during winter if the club actually closed for a few weeks each year.
     
  14. ShotStop

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    The fabric is a special knit pattern that won't run if it gets a hole in it. You can pull as hard as you can on a cut edge and not even distort the fabric let alone tear it. It can be patch very easily by sewing or gluing on a patch.

    About 95%+ of the shot hits the two middle panels. We are hoping for 5 years on those and 10 years on the others. But, keep in mind that Redlands throws over 200,000 targets per month so those two middle panels take a beating.
     
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    Ed, one pallet = 63 boxes@125 net targets per box = 125 ounces per box x 63= 7875 ounces per pallet / 16 ounces= 492 pounds. I think, but I am good at being wrong.
     
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    We have these installed at Oakdale Sportsman's Club on four trap fields. They are great. Very good background for orange birds. We have the Stanislaus River behind us so this is a necessity. When you first see it, you'll wonder how you can shoot into that stuff. After your first station you don't even see them. Ours are about 65 yards out because of space limitations.
    We used to use old conveyor belts from the cannery's, but these are the cat's meow. Compared to the conveyor belts these were a snap to install. Only took two workers compared to six to eight because of the light weight.
    Forgetting the ease of lead reclamation, this kept us open so it was worth every single bit of what we spent.
    By the way, Oakdale is in the ATA Northern California Zone.
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    Nothing withstands El Reno OK.
     
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    i was wandering how the santa ana winds will affect the shot curtains? dwain
     
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    Montanas own Dale Fisher makes the rounds in the winter, Zardozforty, but in the summer he is a welder/farmer and works his tail off, he is good people, nice guy and was our state Champ in Doubles two years ago. I watch his scores all winter long on here. Jimbo that curtain looks pretty neat and makes sense, don't tell me a Oklahoma hick transplant thunk that up, did you Jimmy?? Looks great. Scott
     
  20. ShotStop

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    Hey Scotty,

    By good fortune I became aware a few years ago about the shot curtains put up at a couple of clubs back east. In fact, Terry Bilbey and I had had a few conversations about the economic value of the curtain in capturing the high volume of lead that is thrown at Redlands. So, when Redlands got the Notice from the EPA and Terry asked me to help him deal with the matter we were able to construct a plan centered around the installation of the shot curtain which was eventually accepted by the landowner, EPA, State Environmental Agency, City, 4 Counties, County Fire Department, Corp of Engineers, Federal and State Fish and Wildlife, Los Angeles Area Water Quality Management Authority and the special Habitat Trust that overlays the river wash. At one of the meetings at the gun club I had 26 people representing all the above.

    This is why I say if a club even suspects they may have a problem it needs to be really proactive because it can cost a fortune to deal with all the government agencies who have an interest in these things if they come looking and not find a good lead management program in place.

    BTW, next time you see Phil Kiner, ask him if he thinks transplanted Okies are smart. :)