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Worried about a Gunclub

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Chango2, Nov 7, 2008.

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  1. Chango2

    Chango2 Active Member

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    I have heard about a gunclub wherein members pool their buying powers together and buy reloading components, an occasional trapgun, and reloading machines and related parts. These folks scour ads and call companies and call individuals looking for the best prices. They then go purchase things at the cheapest possible prices they can find...closeouts, garage sales, etc. Any sale is fair game.

    These folks then sell the items to other clubmembers who have helped in this project. To be eligible to purchase from this wonderful inventory of fairly priced goods, one must donate two hours of work per week helping that group find the items.

    After the weekly sale of these items, this group often will kick back at the clubhouse and discuss shooting, methods to improve shooting, trapguns, the "darkside" which is skeet, sporting clays, and hunting vehicles. It has become quite a group that shares labor.

    I just don't think this approach is very capitalistic and I question their real agenda(s).

    I cannot name this group or gunclub out of fear of reprisals.
     
  2. Bruce Specht

    Bruce Specht Well-Known Member

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    Chango, sound a little socialist to me but then what do I know? Could be a solid money saving effort on the part of the club members and nothing more.Sounds like you know a lot about the club I'd snoop around a little more then make a judgement call on whats actaully goin on some might call me paranoid but I'm watching them you can bet on it!
     
  3. halfmile

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    Co-ops have been a part of this country since the 30's or more.

    I was in a farm co-op that worked very well for me. I bought clothing, gas, and some tools. Even though I was not a farmer.

    At the end of the year I got a check.

    They were in business to make a profit, and the shareholders (me) divvied up the profits at the end of the year.

    Sounds like a good version of capitalism to me.

    Chango, what is your REAL beef here? NOt getting to wet your beak? If you're not invlolved or don't know of unethical behavior, why whine?

    HM
     
  4. Chango2

    Chango2 Active Member

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    No beef whatsoever; after having my consciousness raised about the evils of socialism on this site, I was curious about what I saw as a possible socialistic activity. Can you enlighten me on the difference between socialism and a co-op?? The activity I saw looked curiously like a method and group used to purchase food cheaply in my neighborhood. That group was run by self-proclaimed leftists and they called themselves the "Food Conspiracy"...I was just concerned.
     
  5. Old Texas Marine

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    Chango,

    You need a hobby. You might take up reading about the difference between capitalism and socialism. What the club is doing is highly capitalistic. Profit is made when you buy, not when you sell. They are making their profit in wise and prudent buying.

    Or maybe your hobby is trolling.

    HBT
     
  6. pendennis

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    Your fears are completely unfounded. The guys at the cited gun club are excercising good capitalistic sense. Corporations work the same way, except on a formal and contractual basis. Cooperatives can be as informal or corporate as the needs of the members want. This club is to be commended.

    Cooperatives have been around for centuries. They enable a number of users to be able to purchase various commodities on a volume basis. In more modern times, Farm Bureau Cooperatives operate stores which enable farmers to get better prices on feed, implements, clothing, etc.

    Cooperatives are strictly voluntary. You do not have to belong. However, as with any enterprise, you may be required to give up certain rights, in order to belong. For instance, you may have to spend a certain amount or percentage of your income per month (year, etc.) to keep your membership. In return, you get better than market prices on certain items, since cooperatives typically buy in volumes; as opposed to each person doing their own bargaining.

    New York City is famous for its cooperative apartment buildings.

    In socialism/collectivism, you have no choice. Everyone belongs and shares the misery.

    Dennis

    PS - Up to the time of the Russian Revolution of 1917, artels (another term for cooperative) existed in Russia. After 1917 they only existed as part of the socialist apparatus.
     
  7. halfmile

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    Many small sporting goods retailers (Mom and Pop type) have joined buying pools in order to not get completely hosed by the big box stores.

    This is a co-op type activity also.

    The difference you ask?

    Co-ops are voluntary. Socialism is stuck down your throat by the government.

    That's a ninth grade level civics class question.

    You might call medical clinics a co-op of sorts. A group of doctors market their services together and share certain expenses.

    That doesn't make them socialist.

    I have anti confusion pills available for only 40 bucks per hundred. Email me to order.

    HM
     
  8. hmb

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    Sounds like they have their act together. HMB
     
  9. BIGDON

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    You guys have to much spare time on your hands.
    Go shoot something.

    Don
     
  10. chuckles

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    Is Social Security a form of Socialism ?

    Is Medicare a form of Socialism ?

    Are Drivers license's a form of Socialism ?

    Are foodstamps a form of Soc..........

    Is Unemployment compensation a form of Soc.......



    I had these questions thrown at me the other night and wasn't quite sure how to answer....

    I know I can get many viewpoints here...


    regards
     
  11. pendennis

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    Chuckles -

    With the exception of driver's licenses, all the funds you mention are socialist in nature. These programs are government largess which tax folks on the ability to pay, and provide monies to those who need. - Socialism at its most base definition. Although Social Security started out as a trust fund, or "lock box", Lyndon Johnson changed all that when he and Congress moved the money to the general tax receipts in the 1960's.

    Driver's licenses are privileges to operate a motor vehicle on public roads. You voluntarily sign away certain rights for the privilege. On private property, let's say your own, you don't need permission from a government to operate a vehicle (unless there are deed covenants).

    Best,
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  12. halfmile

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    Social Security was spawned in an effor to combat the problem of stupid people getting too old to work, having no money, and going on the public dole.

    Save the smart remarks, that was the original intent.

    Medicare - Like the Social Security Act that it amended, the 1965 Medicare program was ostensibly a vehicle for reducing dependency in old age. In reality, both laws were dependency-shifting rather than dependency-reducing: mandated dependence of the elderly on the federal government and taxpayers replaced potential dependence on family and charity.

    So both programs, although having supposedly noble objectives, were an enlargement of the Government's role in everyday life.

    Government will take what they can get and try for more. The rest of your querys are simply argumentative. Fjood stamps for example, would be Socialist if EVERYONE was issued them and required to use them.

    Keeping order to a certain degree is necessary, I'm sure you will agree.

    The level of force necessary to do so, and to what degree is another matter.

    HM
     
  13. SeldomShoots

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    Huh? that sounds like what goes on at most gunclubs, that I have shot at, the guys that do the work get to cherry pick first. Socialism? . . . sounds more like good old fashioned capitalism, buy low, sell high, and "I get the best deal first for doing the work".

    But, Uncle Sam is probably waiting to tax the hell out of it. LOL

    John Ertel
     
  14. Bubba

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    Sounds like someone wearing a tinfoil hat.
     
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    Chango,

    What you described IS Capitalism! Just because this practice might hurt the local gun/reloading supply store (somewhat), that is still FREE ENTERPRISE. That's what is great about our system. As long as it is a legal practice, then do YOUR best to do THE best for those you represent, or for yourself.

    milt
     
  16. Chango2

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    Sure I was trolling...I like to pique the intelligent here and learn something!!!

    I learned: (1) Many become angry easily. (2) Many are very intelligent and insightful. (3) Collective buying is not collectivism. (4) Lots of schooled people here much more than I in history, civics, and law...

    Shoot Well, Shoot Often
     
  17. missed some

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    you caught way over your limit, and I don't think the livewell is near big enough!!
     
  18. halfmile

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    Compliment accepted.

    HM
     
  19. SeldomShoots

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    Dave, could you please get the pliers and get this hook out of my mouth. lol

    John Ertel
     
  20. Chango2

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    No problem John, with this "catch" I owe you guys titanium pliers!!
     
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