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World All Around Championship 2011

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Aggie., Feb 17, 2011.

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  1. Aggie.

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    If anyone is interested. It looks like the NSCA has taken over this concept and will include it in one of their big sporting clay shoots. Pretty interesting shoot but I know it really favors the sporting clay shooters for the HOA.
     
  2. Setterman

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    It wouldn't be a "World Championship" if they didn't shoot all the main events.
     
  3. BAD 303

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    It favors the BEST shooter in the world. That is who it favors. You think any trapshooters will lay down the money? How about skeet shooters? Two thirds of the program caters to trap and skeet shooters yet i doubt they will show up. Why?
     
  4. Dickgshot

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    Apparently they wanted to limit the event to 12 gauge, because having 100
    skeet targets any gauge is ridiculous. It should have been .410.

    If they just count targets, the winner will be a sporting clays shooter -probably Digweed. If they used a "normalized" scoring system, it will be
    more of an even contest.
     
  5. skeet_man

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    Nice cash cow for NSCA, $33900 would be their cut based on 60 entries. Target cost would be around $3200, so their looking at $30K profit from the event.
     
  6. BAD 303

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    Why would they do anything other than count total hits and misses Dick? This is not meant to be a feel good event where all competeitors get a ribbon. You are correct though. If Digweed shows up he will be the odds on favorite no doubt. But then again he is the BEST all around shotgunner in the world and maybe ever. Don't count out Robertson or Kruger in any event either.
     
  7. BAD 303

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    Skeetman i think you missed a few things in your calculations. Like labor? No part of the shoots happen without judges,trap setters,scorekeepers,registration-squadding people and someone to fill traps. They will make some money no doubt as they should. But no where near 30k profit.
     
  8. skeet_man

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    True, but how much $ wise do you think it'll take to take care of 60 shooters (or less)? I would think less than $2500 for everything involved with the shoot soup to nuts.
     
  9. Dickgshot

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    Bad 303: Here's what's wrong with counting hits and misses. A very good sporting clays shooter will beat a "just good" shooter by 20 targets out of a 100. A very good trap or skeet shooter will beat a "just good" shooter by maybe one or two targets out of 100. The sports are different.


    Think about trying to determine the best runner in the world, and measure it by how many seconds one runner finishes ahead of another. In the 100 yard dash the sprinter beats the marathon runner by 2-3 seconds. In the marathon the marathon runner beats the sprinter by an hour. Does that make him the best runner?


    People will argue that it's simple: the shooter who breaks the most targets is the best. That may be a simple way to score, but it's why no one will beat a sporting clays shooter.
     
  10. BAD 303

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    Dick again this is the best all around. Not best in specific events. If a shooter is very poor in any given event you want to help prop him up because of what? The reason a sporting shooter will win is because they are the best all around shotgunners. End of story. Heck if a skeet or trap shooter is the best at what they do why not enter and walk away with the 3300.00 in each of three events and then not even shoot the other 6. The best at certain events have a very good reason to enter just for "their" discipline. Then take the money and go home. Won't happen though and in think you know why.
     
  11. shannon391

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    Trap Shooter won't show up for the same reasons Top clay shooters don't compete and play the options at the Grand, They can't beat the Top ATA shooters at their game-27 yard handicap.
     
  12. skeet_man

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    To make this less sporting clays biased, they should have included 100 ATA 16 yd, and NSSA Skeet .410. That way it would be 300 targets per discipline and 200 "international" targets.

    You would end up with an "easy" (12ga skeet, 16 yd trap, 5-Stand), "medium" (Doubles skeet, Doubles Trap, Sporting), and "hard" (.410 skeet, 27yd trap, FITASC) event for each discipline.

    The fact that they put the shoot on top of the World English even further biases this toward the sporting shooters, since most of the top sporting shooters will be there anyways, whereas the top skeet and trap shooters would need to make this its own trip.
     
  13. BIGDON

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    This is the annual BS thread by the sporties. If you hotdogs are so hot then show up at any of the larger trap shoots and pick up the cash. Ought to be real easy if you can shoot as well as you shoot off your mouths. There was $100,000 at the Grand last year, where was your ace Digwad and any other of you so called superior to all trapshooters shooters?? Must have been the day you had your prostate exam.

    I got an idea why don't you sporties go back to your own "site". You do have a site don't you?? If so then why do you feel the need to clutter up this one with your bable??

    Don
     
  14. Dickgshot

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    While I mostly enjoy BIGDON's posts, this rant seem pretty much uncalled for.
    What "sporties?" Most of the posts were simply about the fact that the event which is run by sporting clays shooters favors sporting clays shooters. Unfairly, I might ad.

    Don, you should be man enough to admit you were out of line on this one.
     
  15. hmb

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    Don was on the money. HMB
     
  16. shannon391

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    He is saying this thread starts every year and we know where it's going.

    Trapshooters don't like to be ribbed by Clay Shooters from across the pond or their followers.

    Leo would give Digweed a schooling on 300 handicap Targets.
     
  17. ffwildcat

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    Y'all have the attention span of 2 year olds............

    Getting back to George Digweed.

    He won by 13 targets.

    He shot 179 to a second place of 166.

    That is one big can of whoop ass, it doesn't matter what discipline you shoot, 13 targets is huge. Now factor in that the field was world class sporting shooters and you start to get a sense for what separates the best from the rest. That man can shoot.
     
  18. short shucker

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    BIGDON thinks this site is here for just him and his one sided view of the clay target shooting world. His motto is: "If you ain't a trapshooter you ain't s**t".

    As for myself, I enjoy all the different clay target sports. You'll never get most trapshooters to shoot sporting or skeet because their ego wouldn't handle all the missing. Heck, some trapshooters can't handle more than one target in the air.

    ss
     
  19. grnberetcj

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    Sporting Clays was invented and designed for those people that cannot be "competitive" trapshooter's.

    Big Don's post was correct!

    Curt
     
  20. BAD 303

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    Lots of easy money to be had at this shoot for all the professional trapshooters.
     
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