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Wolf Primer Data?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by GoldEx, Dec 24, 2010.

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  1. GoldEx

    GoldEx Active Member

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    Load em like win 209's and don't look back. Good primer.

    Jeff
     
  2. Unknown1

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    There isn't any US data available.

    Even the importer doesn't know where they fit among primers.

    The powder companies won't touch them.

    Only way to tell would be a series of P & V tests.

    Or you can put your faith in other peoples' guesses and rumors...

    MK
     
  3. Quack Shot

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    I haven't seen any published data for them. I would treat them as the hottest primer listed in the data and go from there. Select a load with a low pressure to begin with and you'd probably be ok. Don't start out with a load developing high pressures, so you'd have a little headroom in case they produce higher than normal pressures. I would also recommend asking the powder companies for a recommendation. You could also load a few and send them out for testing. There is a reason I use mainstream primers. There is data available and it's not worth taking a chance for a penny a shell. Every time you load a "bargain" primer with no data, you take a risk. With things that go bang, I usually don't like to take chances.
     
  4. Ross

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    I agree with Quack Shot above on pressures- I also came on a good deal on some Wolf (PMC) & have not had a bad one (yet) I only load a 7\8 oz. load @ about 1180 fps with chamber pressure approx. 7500#s so I don't think they could raise the pressure to a dangerous level I have shot about a sleeve so far. but they did NOT make me shoot any better. just my experience--- Ross Puls
     
  5. hmb

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    Wolf primers are top of the line primers. I load them the same as Win 209 primers. HMB
     
  6. goose2

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    HMB, You can load them the same as any primer you want but with no load data I wouldn't trust any of it. Is it really worth the wonder. Annie up and buy some that have published data and save yourself a potential heart ache.
    A Wolf primer is far from the top of the line unless you are standing on your head.
     
  7. hmb

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    Goose Head,

    Have you been to Russia lately. There is plenty of data available in Europe. HMB
     
  8. jbmi

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    This is the responce I received from Alliant Powders when I e-mailed them with the same question.
    If you have questions I find it best to go to the mfg. They have a lot more expertise than the opinions you find posted here.

    "It is our belief that the Wolfe primers are a bit on the inconsistent side. Therefore, they should be treated as a hot primer to be on the safe side. If you want to sub them for the Rem or Win 209 then I suggest approx a ½ gr reduction in powder charge. Thanks for your note and have a nice day.
     
  9. Unknown1

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    <blockquote><I>"Have you been to Russia lately. There is plenty of data available in Europe."</I></blockquote>...and I'll bet it combines European powders with European wads in European hulls that aren't even known in the US let alone available here!

    MK
     
  10. goose2

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    hmb, for your information I try to get to Russia a couple of times a week. For some reason I have not come across any load data using wolf primers. Maybe they are so good they don't need any. I am glad I shoot in a different part of the country than you because you mite be the next one on here bad mouthing your gun because it blew up in your hands.
     
  11. Mark425

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    "It is our belief that the Wolfe primers are a bit on the inconsistent side."

    That's the understatement of the year.
     
  12. goose2

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    O but they are the top of the line according to one ya who!
     
  13. maclellan1911

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    and why is it the powder manufactures wont test these WOLF primers ?
    I see info for cheddite(puke france product)rios,noblesports ect ect
    Also why is it you see more and more of these imported primers in stock?
    Is it pure price or availability.
    Primer availability in my area sucks all together so if you buy local you have to take what they have.
    Remington,federal and winchester are all but a distant legend around here.
    Basically its wolf and CCI. Now the local shops tell me its just a matter of the US manufactures are just not produceing enough for demand.
    Heck even WOLF has stepped up and created a new line of primers with harder cups for the semi auto rifles with the free floating pins. ARs,Garands,M14 ect ect.
    Wolf also offers a money back guarenty on their products, aint happy they send you a UPS tag and a check.....I hate the fact that commie and socialist countries flood this country with affordable products to meet our shooting demands. Now I know the "if you aint got the money to shoot maybe you should not" people are out there. Face it we aint all rich so saveing close to 50% on primers affords that much more shooting for some then thats what needs to be done. I have shot wolf ammo for years and have had no more missfires,FTF,FTE,squib loads than any other ammo manufacture. I am waiting on a order of wolf pistol and rifle primers which where almost 60% less than us manufactures in my area.
    WOLF ammo in the last ten years has dominated the ranges in my area. If you want to extend your range time and plinking pleasure there are things you have to do. Some reload, some purchase less expensive ammo.
    Wolf has even met the demands of the AR shooters by produceing a brasscased non corrosive 5.56 round for the AR shooters and it comes priced lower than US offerings. It is loaded to NATO specs.
    I am not convinced that the US manufactures are makeing a better product anymore. I also get a overwhelming feeling they dont give a shit either. If so I would think they would have met the demands of the reloaders and the current compitition out there. gas is back up and metal is climbing I see another boost in prices allaround...........stock up on what you like and what you can find that suites your needs.
    blindly loading substitute components is stupid I agree, the advice given from the powder manufacture stated to treat wolf as magnum primers and cut back .5 grains I guess is a good starting point.
    I think there are more people out there reloading on the NOT safe side than we would like to believe. Thus far most guns have been able to take the punishment and not completely blow up. I have been a witness to 2 blow ups and 3 slam fires, 1 of which was on me. Not fun.All of which where with US manufactured ammo and reloading supplies.
     
  14. hmb

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    Let's take a vote, how many think that a 1/2 grain reduction in the powder charge will determine whether a shell is safe or unsafe?

    I think the answer the powder company gave is ridiculous. HMB
     
  15. jbmi

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    Then I guess what you're saying is you know more than Alliant does.
    I'll take Alliant anyday.
     
  16. maclellan1911

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    after checking my E-cards a cup of coffee. .5 grains seems to small. leter time.
     
  17. cbxchris

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    I have around 40K wolf's now. I have chronoed all the gauges with my loads. The wolf is a slightly cooler primer than a winchester with a nominal drop in fps with the same powder charge. Inconsistent? I haven't seen it myself shooting over a chronograph. If you want to see inconsistent run some Nobel Sports through one which I use also with no real world bad results. The wolf is the most direct replacement for the winchester I have seen. Although a cooler primer I sue them in any gauge except 410 where I am seeking to gain the most velocity I can. I occasionally use them in practice in 410 with good results. After using the wolf one can easily go back to winchesters with NO primer pocket distortion. Noble Sports tend to slightly stretch primer pockets but appear to be about the same in the burn rate. Inconsistent though. Cheddites EAT firing pins. Fiocchi's are slightly hot and I had pierced primers using them on a K 80 where I have NEVER experienced that on any other primer brand.

    In the end they all go bang. I will continue to use the wolf until I run out. I still have wolf's I gave 75 bucks a sleeve for.....I just bought a sleeve of winchesters for 150......They are not worth the additional cost.
     
  18. BILL GRILL

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    I have loaded 15,000 of them in old style double a's with 16.4 grains of red dot and had 1 bad shell. Can't find them anymore or I would still be using them.
     
  19. Quack Shot

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    cbxchris

    Exactly how does your chronograph determine pressure? Velocity and pressure do not always go hand in hand. The only way to know for sure is to test your loads for "pressure" using calibrated pressure testing equipment.
     
  20. cbxchris

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    I relayed my experiences hoping it may help someone. If I have not had a problem in the last 20K or so through briley tubes I seriously expect any now. Not going to be dragged in to this endless argument about "what if". If I could get another 50K I would buy them.
     
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