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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by jettski25, Jan 14, 2013.

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  1. jettski25

    jettski25 Member

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    Just read the minutes from recent WTA BOD's meeting.

    On the WI website blog, DonM stated they would hirering his wife as the new Registered Shoot Coordinator. But in the minutes, it states they were going to reach out to few individuals who might be interested in said position. The position would be posted on the WI website and the position would be paid $600 a month.

    Don't you have to follow the minutes and post the position before hirering. Is this a return to the "Good ol' boys" type of business.

    All state team. DonM states the committee must adhere to the rules but they don't follow the rules. Nice try tho' Don.

    They borrowed $90,000 from the nice man who donated a million.
     
  2. shooter99

    shooter99 Well-Known Member

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    jettski25, The minutes were posted after they selected the position and that position does not pay 600 a month it pays 0000 only the expenses incurred in the operation of the duties, postage and etc. The way it was written in the minutes was misleading.
     
  3. jettski25

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    The minutes are the official record. Can't post one thing and do another (unless the good ol' boys are running it) Plus if the minutes are not correct, and they are approved by all the directors before posting, they need to be clarified or corrected. Time to get it right !
     
  4. illusion

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    jettski25, be careful using "T.G.O'boy" remark, it will bring down the wrath of the Board on you! there was someone else that used that statement alot over the years, and he's disappear ever since he was jumped on by one of the big dogs!
     
  5. shooter99

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    It was suggested to contact Melinda Mittag, Tim Thompson, Carol Keeley, Mary Bleiler, and Ellen Raisbeck to see if there would be any interest in volunteering as a Registered Shoot Co-coordinator. This position would be responsible for shoot date applications and shoot reports. The above was copied from the minutes. We made contact and a person volunteer to do the job. What part of this is out of line? If we would wait until the next meeting to fill a voluntary position you would probably have comments about waiting so long. Jetteski25 May I ask what zone you live in Wisconsin so when a spot on the board opens up I can put your name in so all of this will change and everything will be made right.
     
  6. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    sounds typical, people want to give direction but do not want to serve. At our club nobody wants to volunteer to be on the Board but they sure do want to voice their opinions. I am not directing this at jetski25. It is simply how it is at most all clubs
     
  7. brad patterson

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    Before I get "jumped", I did serve on the board and for many years. I also served once my board position was over.

    So I read Don's post on the blog and I read the minutes. The way it reads is very confussing and the minutes probably should be "cleaned up" a little bit to better clarify things. I do agree with Jettski on pricipal as to how the minutes are currently written along with Don's blog. I don't agree with the "GOB's" thing. The board has worked hard to get away from that with the various committee's. I do agree they don't always apply their own rules very well and pick and choose which rules they will apply. This can be fixed to show the correct intent of the position and is it or isn't it a paid position. (in reading the minutes I think the paid goes to the treasurer position) so cleaning up minutes will put most of this to bed.

    For the record I'm in the SE Zone.
     
  8. senior smoke

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    I normally don't respond regarding the Wisconsin home ground threads. I sit back and shake my head wondering when did things get so bad that there is constant bickering.

    Some don't trust this group, and some don't trust that group. I have not shot ATA tournaments for a few years now due to health related issues, but isn't trapshooting suppose to be just plain fun.

    I miss tournament shooting tremendously. A lot of you are physicaly well, and should be all working together instead of finding fault with every thing and every one.

    I just received a PM from a shooter who does not live in Wisconsin and he said the Wisconsin threads remind him of Washington, where the Dems and Republicans just can get along and agree on anything.

    Don't forget, shooters from all over the country also read this stuff. Start trusting one another again and have some fun shooting and forget all the bs.
    Steve Balistreri
     
  9. 33 Willys

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    Another month (maybe) before you get a to see the "business plan"... Geeeezzzz
     
  10. Ricky Hoppe

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    Steve,
    Why? So far this group hasn't earned that trust and what little they had was destroyed, except for their little clique of "Trusted Best-est Supporters!

    There was a time, not so long ago, that the board was pretty much respected but in one way or another they eventually destroyed what goodwill earlier directors achieved! See " illusion's" post.

    DB
     
  11. Donm

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    I contacted Melinda a few minutes after the meeting when I saw her she accepted the none paying position after the minutes were taken at the meeting. It will be duly noted in the NEXT meeting minutes where it should be noted. If you have a problem with that I am sure she would turn that job over to you mr Jetson. The Sec-tres job that pays, and that amount will be change when the job is split up is also open. Just give my your name and that can be arranged.

    Jet since you have so much time on your hand we can have it arranged to have you do the minutes and the Blog. Since you are perfect I am sure the minutes and blog will be up to date and minute like you expect.

    GW. Want to bet where he is from?
     
  12. XXPowder

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    Don since I find you on trapshooters insulting fellow wisconsin shooters again, I was confused by several things in the minutes also.
    You had told us that a loan was approveled months ago, that we could use a napkin for a business plan, now I find that there has been no loan approved, that one of the main reason is no business plan, and we seem to be jumping from one company to the other to have one written. It's my understanding that no loan could really handycap our state shoot, that there would be no progress on the camp ground, no water, no sewer, and no electric. I also read your notes and considered it to be somewhat unclear. I invite you to answer these questions in a non insulting manner if that is possible. I would be interested in if there is any other money, or if everything is based on getting the loan!
    I see the 70,000 for the traps, I know that there will be also be a 80,000 bill for trap houses. What about wiring the trap houses, is there any money for that? I'm just concern that our state shoot will end up being a big mess!!!! I try to remain positive but the problem with no information, and wrong information continues to be a problem............Tom Hoppe SE zone
     
  13. brad patterson

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    A guy brings up some valid points and then it becomes a personnal attack fest.

    DonM - the minutes are suppose to be right and correct and if they are not they should be corrected. The minutes, especially the part about the shoot coordinator and treasurer position are confusing and misleading.

    And even tho' the meeting minutes don't really mean anything (past personnal experience) they are the official record of the BOD's and the WTA.

    Don't get so testy when you get questioned on something. People just want to know what is going on and to feel like they matter. When I did ran state shoot, I generally had positive feedback, most of which I attribute to the postings I did on the website explaining what had been done, was being done, what planned to be done, etc. etc. etc. Start treating the shooters like they matter and not like the bad guys and maybe things will get better and some of the venom and lack of trust, etc will go away.
     
  14. jettski25

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    Don't get to uptight guys, I expected nothing less than for DonM to be a jerk. He and the board hate being questioned.

    For the record, NE Zone
     
  15. Donm

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    I will no longer answer anything on this site. I would like to as a question. Where did I insult ske
     
  16. jettski25

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    It's not always by direct insult. Many times it is the tone, verbage, way the thread is worded for your reply.

    Since you won't respond anymore (believe when I see it) and to credit you are only director from WI who will respond ( there was another guy who responded alot but he is no longer involved on the board )now there will be less information and another wedge between shooters and the BOD's.
     
  17. shooter99

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    Jettski25 One of the Directors from the NE zone will be up for election this year so there will be a spot. Step up and do your thing for the betterment of all Wisconsin shooters. Anybody can tell you new ideas are needed with any organization. That always makes a better and stronger organization.
     
  18. XXPowder

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    GWII everyone with an idea can't serve on the board, not everyone has the interest or the time. Any WTA member however does have the right to express their options and ask questions. I think is more than resonable for them to expect truthful and timely answers to their questions. If your trying to answer a questions in an honest and resonable way then, what different does it make if it is on trapshooters or in private.
    If you intent is not to anwser someones question then refusing to comment on trapshooters is a very good way to keep from answering someones question. If your not going to give an honest or a very vague answer then you sure don't want any record of it on trapshooters, because everyone is going to see it and of course pick it apart.
     
  19. illusion

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    I believe to be on the board you have to be a life member and that eliminates alot of good people with good ideas, so you already have a select group running things, kind alike "D.C." spending money on pork and nothing gets done.Hmmmmmmm
     
  20. X2 fan

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    Incorrect. You only have to be an ATA Life Member to become Delegate, 1st Alternate, etc.
    Requirements for the State Association positions do not require that. There may well be some type of minimum targets shot but I am not certain on that at all.

    Tim
     
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