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????Winchester AA HS Hull Identification????

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Macdaddy, Nov 9, 2012.

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  1. Macdaddy

    Macdaddy Member

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    Winchester Hull Experts:

    I'm not asking about the Compression-Formed older red and silver hulls.


    I need to ask your expert opinions on this question:


    Are all the Winchester AA, dark charcoal gray colored hulls, all considered to

    be the "HS" style?

    Were some of the early runs ever not considered "HS"?

    thanks,

    mac
     
  2. skeet_man

    skeet_man Well-Known Member

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    All of the charcoal colored hulls are HS.
     
  3. Macdaddy

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    skeet man, thanks for your input.


    Does any one else have any other information on the early run charcoal hulls?
     
  4. Bill Hom

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    Look inside of the hull. If it has a base wad (2-piece), it is an HS. If it is '1' piece (no base wad) it is compression formed and not the HS hull. Bill
     
  5. Star4Ever

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    In the dark grey or Charcoal AA hulls, I have noticed two headstamp variants. However both versions of the headstamp do have the 2 piece base wad.

    The older variant (reading from top clockwise)

    WINCHESTER GA AA 12

    The more common (modern) variant...

    WIN HS 12GA AA

    There are some non-charcoal silver hulls out there which have a grainy
    or dullish finish (not the shiny plastic) that are the older one piece hulls.

    But those silver hulls look totally different in color and cannot be mixed up with the
    darker charcoal shiny hulls which are much more modern.
     
  6. wayneo

    wayneo Active Member

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    I have some dark grey hulls from the 2004 Grand. They are NOT stamped HS, but do indeed have a seperate base wad. BTW, they load up great.

    Wayne
     
  7. Macdaddy

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    Thanks to all for your input.

    So, the consensus is:

    If the Winchester AA Hulls are dark charcoal gray color and have the two-piece

    base-wad inside the hull, they are all categorized as the "HS" hulls.

    This is just the clarification that I need.

    Thanks again
     
  8. Unknown1

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    The "HS" designation was added to the head stamp AFTER Winchester addressed the matter of the base wads migrating either during reloading or while being shot as reloads. This condition occurred in the first generation of the 2-piece hull where the base wad was NOT mechanically secured to the hull tube; it was simply held in place by friction. The radial ribs were added to it to lock the wad into the tube over a period of time in the second generation hulls. Once the conversion to the ribbed wad had been made in all hulls (3rd generation), the HS ("High Strength") designation was added. Prior to that, the notation "12 Ga" was in that location.

    Keller
     
  9. Dr.Longshot

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    A lot of AA shells in grey are stamped HS on the Brass.



    Gary Bryant
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  10. Avaldes

    Avaldes Well-Known Member

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    Just took a picture of the three variants of grey AA's mentioned above. From left to right:

    First gen two piece AA's with box around the "AA" and Winchester AA headstamp

    Second gen two piece AA's with plain "AA" and Winchester AA headstamp

    Third gen two piece AA's with underline below the "AA" and Win HS headstamp


    ***Image edited to include copyrights***


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