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Winchester 572 20 gauge.

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by ksutley, Dec 4, 2016.

  1. ksutley

    ksutley Member

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    Been loading some 20 gauge with the newish 572 powder and here is what I have found so far.

    Loader 9000h , powder throws checked with scale. Powder meters well and checks were within a
    tenth of a grain on my hydraulic. Very dense, uses small bushing compared to unique.


    The book load with Rem once fired sts hulls, rxp wad, 7/8 oz shot with 16.5 grains 572,
    did not have enough stack height with the rem rxp wads (very dished crimp)
    but the windjammer wads fit perfectly.

    With cci 209 primer , chronograph 5 shots, low 1190 high 1225.
    Seems pretty dirty compared with unique but shot well and broke targets great with chilled #8.

    I have some 3/4 oz loaded top guns and some 7/8 loaded top guns that i will chronograph tomorrow
    and will post info if anyone is interested.
     
  2. David McMillen

    David McMillen Well-Known Member

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    I wonder if 572 is going to replace WSF down the road. Good to hear on your findings.
    Thanks
     
  3. acorange

    acorange Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info.....still hard to beat Unique in the 20.
     
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  4. shrek

    shrek Active Member

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    I wonder if a winchester primer will make them burn a little cleaner.

    I have observed cci 209's to be milder than winchesters,
     
  5. David McMillen

    David McMillen Well-Known Member

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    All Winchester ball powder is dirty. Using Winchester primers won't change anything
     
  6. Hoytshooter

    Hoytshooter Active Member Verified Youth Coach/Director

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    Following this. Loaded 572 in a 1oz load for the 20ga worked great for grouse and woodcock!
     
  7. Claypoppy

    Claypoppy Well-Known Member

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    Great powder for 20 and 28 gauge.
     
  8. ksutley

    ksutley Member

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    Been winter here so a little slow in results.

    Just loaded some 20 gauge top gun hulls with 7/8 oz chilled #8.
    Mag #8's or mag #9's on the standard 7/8 bar add just enough more shot to make these loads
    crimp much nicer. Skeet special bar just does not drop enough shot for a easy crimp.

    18.5 grains with windjammer wad 1290-1300 fps. #19 bushing on my hydaulic
    17.7 grains with windjammer wad 1200-1250 fps #18 bushing

    Stack height is a little short but adjusting pre-crimp down
    and lowering punch and adjusting cam came up with a pretty good looking reload.
     
  9. dklees

    dklees Active Member

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    Find the same with WST, WSF. A little dirty. But have found higher pressure recipes burn cleaner than the lower. Hotter primers like Win or Fed 209A seem to burn cleaner than with CCI 209. CCI 209 have given me bloopers in cold weather. Good solid crimps help too.
     
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  10. shrek

    shrek Active Member

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    ^1 +1
     
  11. ksutley

    ksutley Member

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    Worked up some top gun loads with the fed 20s1 wad and 17.7 grains and 17 grains of 572 and a win 209 primer
    with 7/8 oz of mag #8's.

    Hodgdon website had this load at 18 grains at 1200 fps. My 18 bushing throws a consistent 17.7 grains and my
    17 bushing throws 17.0 flat with my #19 throwing 18.5 grains.

    I started with the 17.7 grain load and by using all the pre-crimp that I could and setting the cam adjustment near max
    I ended up with a usable load. A little dished but closed with a .060 crimp depth. Set up my crono and shot 2 factory
    gun clubs and they registered 1220 and 1218. Shot 5 of my loads they were 1258 low and 1290 high. I was expecting 1190
    or so and then shot 2 more factory loads at the end at 1219 and 1218. I then changed bushings for the 17 grain load a little more adjusting
    to close crimps and did same scenario 2 factory loads at 1217 and 1221 and five loads 1210, 1221, 1217, 1223, 1215.

    A 17.7 grain load with the windjammer wad and win 209 crimps a lot nicer than the federal wad and chrono's at around 1220. I would
    be loading these if I didn't have 5000 of these federals to use up along with countless top gun hulls.
     
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