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Win 209 vs Noble sport

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  1. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    Any differance between these two. Other than Price ($50.00).
     
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    size.








    Jim
     
  3. Bob_K

    Bob_K Well-Known Member

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    Hodgdon says you can use them interchangeably. I find the Nobel Sports hard to seat in the steel headed Remington game hulls I use. By using them only in the game hulls I can keep them separate from my STS and AA hulls.
     
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    I use them in everything. It is said they are larger. My dial caliper says otherwise. Never had one not go off when I pull the trigger. I like them. Paul
     
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    They are terrible. Believe all the BS stories you hear about them. They must be true. They have gone up $20 a brick in the last year. The secret is out! Must agree w/ psfive & Bob_k. My dial calipers yielded similar results. The difference I did notice, the 209s had a slight taper/ nobles were straight wall (may contribute to the seating issue Bob & I have experienced). While it does require more seating pressure on the steel heads, it is not excessive. Brass headed hulls are great (believe brass has less surface friction than steel too). Never had primers fall out after multiple reloads. Never had 209s fall out after using a nobel. Have fired 28,000 this past year. All went "BOOM". Had 3 pierced primers in .410, but they were very hot loads. The $50+ I save will buy 5+ pounds of PROMO powder. NobelSport, PROMO, ClayBusters, all yield great results @ a fraction of the cost.
     
  6. whiz white

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    I threw almost 4,900 in the garbage because they would not go into a AA hull without excessive force and MY CALIPERS showed the top of the N/S primers much larger that the WW, Fed, and REM primers.

    I sold the 4900 to a friend across town and got them back because he experienced the exact same problems I experienced. Also, once a hull had the Nobel Sport inserted the WW 209s fell out in future reloading.

    There appears to be some difference of measurements here and this thread has been discussed at length in the past two years. This is the FIRST TIME I have ever heard that the primer dimensions were/are the same.

    This was two years ago, so maybe things have changed.

    Listen to whomever you wish, but I'd do a couple of test runs before I bought any in quantity.

    IMHO.

    Whiz White
     
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    I have loaded and shot 50,000 or so ---never a problem. They do stretch the primer pocket a bit, but when you only use N.S. primers what is the difference?
     
  8. Baber

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    I too have loaded 50K+ of the Nobel Sport primers without problems they are great. I do however load them exclusively in the european steel "brass" hulls.

    TB
     
  9. shot410ga

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    Thanks for the info, Feds. went up to $169 a brick and Win wet up to $159. NS were $104. And the Chettites (sp) were $109 a brick. There is getting to be a major differance in price! I might try some Noble Sport.
     
  10. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Whiz, Winchester changed the shape of their primers and hull quite some time back. More taper in the primer and pocket. I have some older Win. primers that measure almost the same as Nobles? Hap
     
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    HAP: I used the N/S in the old style AA once-fired hulls, and was "thinking" that I also did some in the newer style - I am not certain of the newer hull, however.

    I sure did have problems. In fact, I was so concerned that shutting the barrel on my Perazzi and shooting them would have eventually caused primer pocket wear.

    Whiz
     
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    I think some of the ammo companies are playing games with primer diameter sizes and have for some time. I think most started when imports began to catch on here. I'll break out my dial calipers and do some more measuring of diameters soon.

    There are differences as you experienced. N/S will expand the Win. hulls like you said also but the measurements are close, or were last time I measured them. How a loading machine presses on the primer for insertion and holds the hull varies too. Too bad for us reloaders they changed the sizes just enough to create problems though. I have some very old Western Improved Non-Corrosive primers I'll measure for a comparison. Hap
     
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    I again measured a few primer diameters and OAL length.

    OLD, old Western primers base .242 oal .304

    New Win. primers base .243 oal .304

    Older Fed.209A base.242 oal .302

    NS 209 base .243 oal .304

    The main differences I saw was with the new Win. primers being tapered toward the top of the primer. Other than the new NSs and Win. primers I measured, all were older primers. I measured several of each for the averages. Someone can measure the newer primers? Hap
     
  14. shot410ga

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    Doesen't look like a much differance between th Winchester and th NS. What is inside?
     
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    If you look at any box of Winchester primers, on the 100 pack or the outside of each 1000 pack you will find they are Staynless primers. Non-corrosive and non-mercuric, these primers contain no ingredents that cause rusting of your barrel. Try to find these words on a box on the Nobel Sport primers. I can't. If you use them make sure you clean your barrels well after each use. Break-em all. Jeff
     
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