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Why We Need Labor Unions After All

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by midalake, Dec 6, 2012.

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  1. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    Republicans PAY ATTENTION!!!

    "And, unfortunately, with the decline of labor unions, that lack of sharing is again increasing."

    "Namely, we've developed inequality so extreme that it is worse than any time since the late 1920s."

    "Consider the following:

    1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high. Companies are making more per dollar of sales than they ever have before.

    2) Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. One reason companies are so profitable is that they're paying employees less than they ever have before."

    "But, instead, U.S. companies have become so obsessed with generating near-term profits that they're paying their employees less, cutting capital investments, and under-investing in future growth."

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/why-labor-unions-172114831.html


    GS
     
  2. OldPshtr

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    cloudy and cool today
     
  3. BAD 303

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    Libtards and socialist loving citizens pay attention. This is still America and if you don't like your wages and pensions. Risk it all and build your damn business. That is if you have the work ethic and mindset that you may spend years building something only to watch employees and the govenrment try and dictate to you how to run it and what to pay your employees. It is so easy to build a successful business every union member should get right after it. After all they know better than the employee they now work for.
     
  4. Scott Johnson

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    We need Unions like we need a horse and buggy. Scott
     
  5. Setterman

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    midalake, you never answered my question in a previous post. Did Union carpenters build your house?

    If not, you should sell it and buy one that was or better yet, build a new union built house. Same with your appliances, clothing, shoes, etc.
     
  6. John Galt

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    If it were up to the unions buggies would still be made by union workers and bought by the government to support them.
     
  7. CalvinMD

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    Is this a catch and release thread?? or do you plan to filet and fry??
     
  8. drgondog

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    Midalake - Unions artificially force wages above a competitive rate, jam benefits packages down employers throats that are unsustaiable over time (i.e. Delta, AA, Eastern, GM, USS) forcing bancruptcy and re-organizations or mergers and re-orgs after layoffs. The layoffs drive the unemployment. The pressure on earnings force layoffs, then companies learn to continue doing business with fewer employees.

    Unions force migration of corporations from one, once tolerable environment like Seattle/Renton (Boeing) to another environment with better employees and better employee/management relations (South Carolina).

    Unions force financial stress on non-union taxpayers (CA, WI, IL, etc)
     
  9. pretzel

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    Unionization wont work and the people in them dont. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of --you know what!
     
  10. likes-to-shoot

    likes-to-shoot Well-Known Member

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    midalake...When you go fishing try using some bait that doesn't attract the fish from the bottom of the cesspool. You'll like the results better.
     
  11. ou.3200

    ou.3200 Well-Known Member

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    Here is what unions do for us. Do we really need this?????


    "No Horses, But Detroit Water Department Employs 'Horseshoer'

    Union head says it's 'not possible' to eliminate positions from bloated city entity

    By JARRETT SKORUP | Aug. 20, 2012 | Follow Jarrett Skorup on Twitter

    Despite having no horses, the water and sewerage department for the city of Detroit employs a horseshoer.

    Yet even with a department so bloated that it has a horseshoer and no horses, the local union president said it is "not possible" to eliminate positions.

    Union rules have turned the department into a government jobs program, some critics say.

    The horseshoer’s job description is "to shoe horses and to do general blacksmith work … and to perform related work as required." The description was last updated in 1967.

    The Detroit Water and Sewerage Department (DWSD) has a large debt, rising water prices and inefficient services — using almost twice the number of employees per gallon as other cities like Chicago.

    A recent independent report about the DWSD recommends that the city trim more than 80 percent of the department’s workforce. The consultant who wrote the report found 257 job descriptions, including a horseshoer. Capitol Confidential sent a Freedom of Information Act request to the department for the salary, benefits and job description of the horseshoer position.

    In response to the report, John Riehl, president of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 207, which represents many of the DWSD employees, told the Detroit Free Press that the department needs more workers.

    "They don't have enough people as it is right now," Riehl said. "They are just dreaming to think they can operate that plant with less."

    But critics say this is just another example of city departments operating as a jobs program for union employees.
     
  12. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    MY FAV'S


    "1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high. Companies are making more per dollar of sales than they ever have before.

    2) Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. One reason companies are so profitable is that they're paying employees less than they ever have before."


    GS

    PS Don't ya just hate it when everyone shoots the messenger?
     
  13. ou.3200

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    "1) Corporate profit margins just hit an all-time high. Companies are making more per dollar of sales than they ever have before."

    Pretty broad statement with no data presented to back it up. Nothing wrong with corporate profits. It bodes well for those corporations that are making the higher profits. Hostess didn't fare so well as many others haven't.

    "2) Wages as a percent of the economy are at an all-time low. One reason companies are so profitable is that they're paying employees less than they ever have before."

    Are they counting the $$$$ pumped into the economy by Obama's spending policies? Wage levels are a matter of supply and demand. Obama's policies have driven the unemployment to 8%-15% depending on which numbers you want to use, creating an oversupply of labor. Obamacare, tax policy other uncertainties have cast a pall over hiring of new employees by corporations and they are making do with employees they have or cutting back. Of course they are cutting back in a poor economy, the government needs to do the same.
     
  14. halfmile

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    That blog presented a lot of blab and no data.

    Can't do that.

    HM
     
  15. 22hornet

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    Mid...do you have a retirement plan? I think that I remember that you are a public sector employee. If so, then maybe you are in a 457b plan that invests in the stock and bond market. It would be in your best interest for corporations to do well.
     
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    Wow- And all this time I thought companies made profits so they can hire more people, expand and grow, and pay their stockholders a dividend. I guess I was wrong on that.
     
  17. 90Tshooter

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    Just finished negotiations with the company I work for. I am on the bargaining committee and this is the 4th negotiations I have been involved in. Any one who doesn't have any experience with union/company relations will not know how much a union can help the working man. The union not only negotiates wages but also vacation, holidays, overtime hours, working conditions, insurance and many other benefits. We also understand there is a limited amount to go around so we work with the company to get the best agreement possible for our membership. Oh, you can joke about union guys not working but that behavior isn't tolerated in our union shop.

    Joe
     
  18. likes-to-shoot

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    Joe....You have to keep in mind who you are talking to on this site.....Most of us know but the Cretans post.
     
  19. Jerbear

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    Michigan is going to be the 24th Right to Work state. Both houses passes bills and they will be on the governors desk next week.

    Boy were the unions were pissed today.....


    Jerbear
     
  20. halfmile

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    Joe, a lot of union situations are good. The problem is that when it gets out of hand (on either side) it's usually because of a lust for money and power. and that definitely is not confined to management.

    HM
     
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