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Why we must win in the Middle East!

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  1. Luckyman

    Luckyman Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998

    By JIM CASH, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.

    I wrote recently about the war in Iraq and the larger war against

    radical Islam, eliciting a number of responses. Let me try and put

    this conflict in proper perspective.

    Understand, the current battle we are engaged in is much bigger

    than just Iraq . What happens in the next year will affect this

    country and how our kids and grand kids live throughout their

    lifetime, and beyond. Radical Islam has been attacking the West

    since the seventh century. They have been defeated in the past and

    decimated to the point of taking hundreds of years to recover. But

    they can never be totally defeated. Their birth rates are so far

    beyond civilized world rates that in time they recover and attempt

    to dominate again.

    There are eight terror-sponsoring countries that make up the

    grand threat to the West. Two , Saudi Arabia and Pakistan , just

    need firm pressure from the West to make major reforms. They need

    to decide who they are really going to support and commit to that

    support. That answer is simple. They both will support who they

    think will hang in there until the end, and win. We are not sending

    very good signals in that direction right now, thanks to the


    The other six, Afghanistan , Iraq , Iran , Syria , North Korea

    and Libya will require regime change or a major policy shift. Now,

    let's look more closely.

    Afghanistan and Iraq have both had regime changes, but are being

    fueled by outsiders from Syria and Iran . We have scared Gaddafi's

    pants off, and he has given up his quest for nuclear weapons, so I

    don't think Libya is now a threat. North Korea (the non-Islamic

    threat) can be handled diplomatically by buying them off. They are

    starving. That leaves Syria and Iran . Syria is like a frightened

    puppy. Without the support of Iran they will join the stronger

    side. So where does that leave us? Sooner, or later, we are going

    to be forced to confront Iran , and it better be before they gain

    nuclear capability.

    In 1989 I served as a Command Director inside the Cheyenne

    Mountain complex located in Colorado Springs , Colorado for almost

    three years. My job there was to observe (through classified means)

    every missile shot anywhere in the world and assess if it was a

    threat to the US or Canada . If any shot was threatening to either

    nation I had only minutes to advise the President, as he had only

    minutes to respond. I watched Iran and Iraq shoot missiles at each

    other every day, and all day long, for months. They killed hundreds

    of thousand of their people. Know why? They were fighting for

    control of the Middle East and that enormous oil supply.

    At that time, they were preoccupied with their internal problems

    and could care less about toppling the west. Oil prices were fairly

    stable and we could not see an immediate threat. Well, the worst

    part of what we have done as a nation in Iraq is to do away with the

    military capability of one of those nations. Now, Iran has a clear

    field to dominate the Middle East, since Iraq is no longer a threat

    to them. They have turned their attention to the only other threat

    to their dominance, the United States . They are convinced they

    will win, because the United States is so divided, and the Democrats

    (who now control Congress and may control the Presidency in 2008)

    have openly said we are pulling out.

    Do you have any idea what will happen if the entire Middle East

    turns their support to Iran , which they will obviously do if we

    pull out? It is not the price of oil we will have to worry about.

    Oil will not be made available to this country at any price. I

    personally would vote for any presidential candidate who did what

    JFK did with the space program---declare a goal to bring this

    country to total energy independence in a decade.

    Yes, it is about oil. The economy in this country will totally

    die if that Middle East supply is cut off right now. It will not be

    a recession. It will be a depression that will make 1929 look like

    the 'good-old-days'.

    The bottom line here is simple. If Iran is forced to fall in

    line, the fighting in Iraq will end over night, and the nightmare

    will be over. One way or another, Iran must be forced to join modern

    times and the global community. It may mean a real war---if so, now

    is the time, before we face a nuclear Iran with the capacity to

    destroy Israel and begin a new ice age. I urge you to read the book

    'END GAME' by two of our best Middle East experts, true American

    patriots and retired military generals, Paul Vallely and Tom

    McInerney. They are our finest, and totally honest in their

    assessment of why victory in the Middle East is so important, and

    how it can be won. Proceeds for the book go directly to memorial

    fund for our fallen soldiers who served the country during the war

    on terror. You can find that book by going to the Internet through

    Stand-up America at www.ospreyradio.us or www.rightalk.com .

    On the other hand, we have several very angry retired generals

    today, who evidently have not achieved their lofty goals, and insist

    on ranting and raving about the war. They are wrong, and doing the

    country great harm by giving a certain political party reason to use

    them as experts to back their anti-war claims.

    You may be one of those who believe nothing could ever be

    terrible enough to support our going to war. If that is the case I

    should stop here, as that level of thinking approaches mental

    disability in this day and age. It is right up there with alien

    abductions and high altitude seeding through government aircraft

    contrails. I helped produced those contrails for almost 30 years,

    and I can assure you we were not seeding the atmosphere. The human

    race is a war-like population, and if a country is not willing to

    protect itself, it deserves the consequences.

    Now, my last comments will get to the nerve. They will be on

    politics. I am not a Republican. And, George Bush has made enough

    mistakes as President to insure my feelings about that for the rest

    of my life. However, the Democratic Party has moved so far left,

    they have made me support those farther to the right. I am a

    conservative who totally supports the Constitution of this country.

    The only difference between the United States and the South

    American, third world, dictator infested and ever-changing South

    American governments, is our US Constitution.

    This Republic (note I did not say Democracy) is the longest

    standing the world has ever known, but it is vulnerable. It would

    take so little to change it through economic upheaval. There was a

    time when politicians could disagree, but still work together. We

    are past that time, and that is the initial step toward the downfall

    of our form of government. I think that many view Bush-hating as

    payback time. The Republicans hated the Clintons and now the

    Democrats hate Bush. So, both parties are putting their hate toward

    willingness to do anything for political dominance to include lying

    and always taking the opposite stand just for the sake of being


    In my lifetime, after serving in uniform for President's Kennedy,

    Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and Bush I have a pretty good

    feel for which party supported our military, and what military life

    was like under each of their terms. And, let me assure you that

    times were best under the Republicans. Service under Jimmy Carter

    was devastating for all branches of the military. And, Ronald Regan

    was truly a salvation. You can choose to listen to enriched

    newscasters, and foolish people like John Murtha (he is no war

    hero), Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Michael Moore, Jane Fonda , Harry

    Reid, Russ Feingold, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, and on-and-on to

    include the true fools in Hollywood if you like. If you do, your

    conclusions will be totally wrong.

    The reason that I write, appear on radio talk shows, and do

    everything I can to denounce those people is simple. THEY ARE



    I cannot abide that.

    Pelosi clearly defied the Logan Act by going to Syria , which should

    have lead to imprisonment of three years and a heavy fine. Jane

    Fonda did more to prolong the Vietnam war longer than any other

    human being (as acknowledged by Ho Chi Minh in his writing before he

    died). She truly should have been indicted for treason, along with

    her radical husband Tom Hayden, and forced to pay the consequences.

    This country has started to soften by not enforcing its laws,

    which is another indication of a Republic about to fall. Many

    Democrats, along with the Hollywood elite, are sending us headlong

    into a total defeat in the Middle East, which will finally give Iran

    total dominance in the region. A lack of oil in the near future will

    be the final straw that dooms this Republic. However, if we refuse

    to let this happen and really get serious about an energy

    self-sufficiency program, this can be avoided.

    I am afraid, however, that we are going in the opposite

    direction. If we elect Hillary Clinton and a Democrat controlled

    congress, and they carry through with allowing Iran to take control

    of the Middle East, continue to refuse development of nuclear

    energy, refuse to allow drilling for new oil, and continue to do

    nothing but oppose everything Bush, it will be over in terms of what

    we view as the good life in the USA.

    Now, do I think that all who do not support the war are

    un-American---of course not. They just do not understand the

    importance of total victory in that region. Another failure of

    George Bush is his inability to explain to the American people why

    we are there, and why we MUST win. By the way, it is not a war.

    The war was won four years ago. It is martial law that is under

    attack by Iranian and Syrian outside influences, and there is a


    So, what do I believe? What is the bottom line? I will simply say

    that the Democratic Party has fielded the foulest, most power

    hungry, anti-country, self absorbed group of individuals that I have

    observed in my lifetime. Our educational system is partially to

    blame for allowing the mass of America to be taken in by this group.

    George Bush has done the best he can with the disabilities that he

    possesses. A President must communicate with the people. And, I

    would tell you that Desert Storm spoiled the people. Bush Senior's

    100-hour war convinced the people that technology has progressed to

    the point that wars could be fought with no casualties and won in

    very short periods of time. I remember feeling at the time, that

    this was a tragedy for the US military. To win wars, you must put

    boots on the ground. When you put boots on the ground, soldiers are

    going to die. A President must make the war decision wisely, and

    insure that the cause is right before using his last political



  2. revsublime

    revsublime TS Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    He makes good points...but i think he's a bit blinded if he only sees the democrats as power-grabbers. This administration and its corruption has cut deep and proven that both sides are in it for their corporate sponsors more than anything else. but at least he understands that removing saddam hussein was the biggest thing we could have done to give power to Iran.

    but hey...if we dont replace the Soviet Union...how can we justify increased defense spending? There has got to be a boogieman in the closet.
  3. jakearoo

    jakearoo Active Member

    Oct 6, 2006
    Please define what it means to "win in the Middle East." Jake
  4. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    We or our fore-fathers have been fighting in the middle east for 1300 years. How many Muslims has the western world killed? This will never end. We have just taken on the role that the English, Spanish, French, ect. have grown tired of doing. The western world must kill the Muslims to keep them under control or be killed and become Muslim. Muslims are unforgiving. Become a Muslim or die, take your choise. The stage has just grown bigger because the world has grown smaller (internet, TV, Radio, ect). I repeat, nothing has changed in 1300 years. We just see it everyday in our living rooms. Richard the Lion Hearted had to go see it in person 700 years ago.
  5. Bustedemall

    Bustedemall TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    The way I see it Iraq is a good base of operations into Iran which has been the main enemy all along.
  6. Bob Hawkes

    Bob Hawkes Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Well spoken Sir. I thought he put both parties in the proper perspective. The politicians are ruining our Country. It may be too late. I sure hope not for my kids sake. Bob H.
  7. blizzard

    blizzard Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    rev- what you just posted above is EXACTLY why you are part of the problem, and not the solution.
  8. mizzou

    mizzou TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    No one can define victory..there are terrorists that will kill us that have not been born..This war will end, my guess, in 1000 years...Mizzou
  9. revsublime

    revsublime TS Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    yes...im part of the problem because i thought that Mr. Secular, Saddam Hussien was the best stalwart to Iranian fundeamentalism. We removed Hussein, have seen over 3000 soldiers killed, strengthened the radical Muslims, stretched our military far too thin, spent well over $200 billion dollars, released a few hundred thousand bathist soldiers to join up with the insurgency/radical muslims, garnered the worst world support we've probably ever had, devalued the dollar to crap, divided our country with partisanship...

    and I'm the problem? How's that Konservative Koolaid working for ya?
  10. revsublime

    revsublime TS Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    not to mention....the war on drugs was a failure, the war on poverty was a failure, the war on terrorISM has done little more than help the radicals recruit former moderates.

    be very afraid when ANY politican starts a War on Anything. Sound bite policies are not meant to be won. but they sure rally the money troops.
  11. blizzard

    blizzard Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Just like I said, part of the problem. Thanks for proving my point. If i saw things the way you do rev, i would just move to France. They like people like you over there.
  12. smsnyder

    smsnyder Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    you are 100% right. thanks
  13. revsublime

    revsublime TS Member

    Aug 21, 2006
    ok...so blizzo thinks its a good idea to make enemies where we had none, create weaknesses where we had none, spend money where we had none, lose support where we had lots...and for what? Wmds? no...freedom? no....oil? no...oh...its to stop radical muslims now. THats right, i forgot. They keep reinventing reasons for this debacle.

    Yup...with people like you we'll keep dumping money into a war that wont be won. Why cant it be won? because for every muslim you kill, you help recruit 2 more. They have far more people willing to die for their god, then we have willing to die for a political cause. Plain and simple.
  14. blizzard

    blizzard Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    See: Defeatist Liberal Vagina.
  15. ricks1

    ricks1 Active Member

    May 7, 2007
    we need to get out and let iran take over. thats the only way we will get off the oil diet it will also get rid of the other problem - that is over population - we have more nukes than they do rick
  16. k80cmbo

    k80cmbo TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Muslims have one thing in mind and only one thing.That is to control the world. What the west can't seem to understand is that.They are more then happy to die today in order to win that control 10 generations from now.
  17. 682LINY

    682LINY Member

    Aug 14, 2006
    There is no win over an enemy that will chose death over freedom,,,the only option is to see to it that they obtain the former choice and not the latter,,,ASAP,,,,not in a long small scale conflict,,; ie men on the ground,,,but on a large scale,,,If they are dead they can not kill you
  18. blizzard

    blizzard Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Exactly Billy. I don't understand for the life of me why the libbies can't understand this.
  19. Luckyman

    Luckyman Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    How do you think Roosevelt would handle this situation without any UN quagmire to deal with? This should be handled just like we handled Japan....We can make sure they have the largest sacrifice of martyrs Allah have ever seen...They are already blowing themselves up for Allah anyway so let's just help them do it quicker!!!!
  20. blizzard

    blizzard Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    So what? We just give up? Let ourselves be run over? Explain your point.
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