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Why Unions Want the Card Check Bill Passed

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by JBrooks, Jan 16, 2009.

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  1. JBrooks

    JBrooks TS Member

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    Secret sallots, we don't need no stinkin' secret ballots.

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  2. JBrooks

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    BTW, WPT, the last guy is coming over to talk to you about a donation for Sparta. LOL
     
  3. crusha

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    The unions want this legislation passed, because not enough workers these days are "choosing" to have a union. They've seen that in a world with competition, the unions really can't guarantee them anything. They can take your money. They can line their pockets. They can add cost. And they can throw sand into a company's business plans. But they can't guarantee the workers anything of lasting value, when Mexico is right next door.

    The unions want to reverse the "slide."

    Rent out a meeting room at the local Holiday Inn. Hand out flyers and try to get people to come there...promise them the Earth, Sun, and Moon...and get them to sign cards right afterward. They don't want to wait for a secret ballot. Heck, some of the people might change their mind. No, the Union Preachers want the "converts" to walk up the aisle and get themselves baptized, immediately, before the effects of the rousing sermon have had a chance to wear off (ie, before the workers have had time to think about it).

    They don't want the organization of a union to happen in a secret ballot. They want it to happen in a conference room at the Holiday Inn, with a full table of "refreshments" at hand.

    That's the dwindling unions' plan for resurgence.
     
  4. g7777777

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    Its BS-- if you believe that coming from a union- you are really brainwashed.

    Anyone that has any independent thought or logic at all can only be shocked at how easily people can be brainwashed.

    Why should people be forced to provide financial support for some private organization that they dont believe in?

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  5. tj303

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    If a secret ballot is good enough to elect Obama it is good enough for unions.
     
  6. W.P.T.

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    Brooks,

    I donate any money that I would normally donate to the NRA, ATA, or Sparta to womans shelters so they don't have to take anyones abuse, know what I mean ..? WPT ...(YAC) ...
     
  7. jagrdawger

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    Which union is being referred to as RESPECTABLE???

    Teamsters
    UAW
    ASFCME

    ??????
     
  8. Irfner

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    Yes we would all be much better off without unions. Then we could go back to the way things were at Carnegie Steel before unions. We could see a resurgence of the company store and company provided housing. Ah for the good old days. Coal miners can tell you how wonderful the companies treated employees. So could truckers,longshoremen, railroad and auto workers. I don't even know why unions were started in the first place. Ah give us back those good old 18 hour days, foremen with whips, child labor, no holidays or vacations. Thats the way America was meant to be.
     
  9. Dove Commander

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    ifner, your full of poop. The laws of today would not allow any of those things to happen, and that is another reason unions have run their course. OSHA, Dept of Safety and Hygene, Labor Dept. and EEOO, have all displaced the union.
     
  10. Irfner

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    Sure I'm full of poop. I'm with you Dove Commander. Everyone knows how benevolent business will be to their employees. You know. Extra pay for overtime, low copays for health insurance, extended vacations, great retirement funds, fantastic working conditions. All of the things business is fighting so hard to preserve for their employees now. And with no organized labor, labor lobbyist or union money our congressmen will only pass laws friendly to workers I am sure of it. As I said I don't even know why unions were started in the first place.
     
  11. BT-100dc

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    Whether anyone agrees or not, the card check proposal gives the advantage to the Unions. After working with Unions for 30 years, can't say intimidation is not a factor dealing with individuals; ever hear, here sign this? Even George McGovern opposes this bill. Although the proposal says that people can opt for a secret ballot, is this realistic? Smaller business will close and relocate as quickly as they can move their machinery. This will result in a further loss of jobs. As far as thinking it would pass: in a heartbeat. I predict it's a done deal by Obama's first 60 days. Then watch the employers react.
     
  12. g7777777

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    likes to shoot - you are right-- but both of these issues are up at this time
     
  13. halfmile

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    Dove Commander. Good nick for a source of poop.

    Where the hell do you think all the laws that protect workers came from?

    Someone had too many bowls of dumbass this morning.

    HM
     
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    Non-secret ballots are un-American.
     
  15. Pacemaker

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    Ifner, Just where do you think that these laws and agencies got there start. It was from the union movement in this country trying to protect their worker members from the unsafe and unhealthy working conditions that existed thirty years ago. Anyone who thinks that their paid vacations, paid holidays, health insurance and pension plans came from only the goodness of the employers have either been living in a dream or have been drinking the company koolaid too much. You guys who beat the drum for the "right to work" states are usually the same ones who quietly crawl into the back of the bus to get the same wages and benefits that were negotiated by honest negotiations. Nothing quite like a man who bad mouths the union but enjoys the benefits that were created by the union. Kind of like not paying for the cake but eating it too. Tim Miller
     
  16. halfmile

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    The "right to Work" is the right to work cheap.

    Pulls americans down to immigrant levels.

    HM
     
  17. JBrooks

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    So, do you union guys believe in the right to a secret ballot or not?
     
  18. halfmile

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    There have been way too many cases of employer malfeasance when union organizing efforts would hit a company.

    People have been killed. If you think Mr. Employer or his goons want the worker to have a better shake, put down the Kool-Aid.

    In this day and age the bottom line rules practically ALL workplace situations.

    This includes quality and safety issues in addition to simple fairness conflicts.

    I have examples from the meat packing business that would turn you into a vegetarian.

    I know there are many good employers, so don't even go there. Usually the real problems come when the company is large enough to be more impersonal with workers.

    Companies will train supervisors in combatting workers' efforts to organize, and do way more intimidation than Union reps, since they have sway over your livelihood.

    Likes-to-shoot posted some good links above, go read them.

    HM
     
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    If an employer is mess'n with his people, it will make no difference if it is secret ballot. People will either leave or vote union. The intent of this bill is to allow union voting pressure. Get real people. We need to be more competitve in this world market. We don't layers and layers union work rules and additional costs in our labor market right now. The union movement should recognize their negative reputation in today's market and advertise some pro-profit programs for incentive to sign companies up. But thats not what they do.
     
  20. halfmile

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    Yeah, right. We need to lower our wages to that of the Indonesians and Chinese so we can compete in the world market.

    Don't forget, we will have to scrap any of that pollution control or other environmental garbage too.

    And product safety has to go, get a few trainloads of melamine into the food chain.

    Go back to sleep, you woke up in the wrong century.

    HM
     
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