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Why Shoot Registered?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by smoking357, Apr 19, 2010.

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  1. smoking357

    smoking357 TS Member

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    I enjoy shooting trap, but I've never tried the registered thing.

    What's the imperative? What's the advantage? It seems like shooting registered is more expensive than an ordinary round of Trap.

    What's the incentive?
     
  2. dverna

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    It is called competition.

    How good are you really. We remember the 25's but forget the 21's. Your Average Card is a constant reminder of how well/poorly you shoot and every year you see how you have progressed/regressed.

    You can win prizes or some money if you chose. You shoot against better (sometimes the best) shooters and you rise to the challenge.

    It is not for everyone.

    You also meet a bunch of new people and most are great.

    Don Verna
     
  3. mixer

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    Having your scores enshrined forever in the official ATA records data base, the thrill of competition and the chance of winning an award or money are some of the reasons for shooting registered. Everyone has their own reasons. As to being more expensive than practice, perhaps, what with the daily ATA & your states trap association fees which should add about $5 a day to the target fees. Options for playing for the money are just that, "options". For me not shooting registered is just practice and practice is boring.

    Eric
     
  4. OldGoat

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    It is a nice, relatively convenient, and sorta expensive (depends on how much allowance from the family entertainment budget that you get from the "old ball & chain") recreation to experience "the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat." Don said it 110% right...it ain't for everyone. Only you can decide. Best Regards, Ed
     
  5. dhip

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    Why should a Newbie who hasn't broke 25 straight yet shoot registered.I know the competition factor,I quit one Bass club to shoot.Have won in it a few times in fishing clubs,and started shooting per request of a friend to try it.A good friend has always told me,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,You can't put a price on pleasure,if you do,you might as well quit.,,,,,,,,,,, I've tried going by that motto as long as the budget holds up.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Better shooters than myself suggest that being new and starting puts me in a better situation for Lewis class.I don't have to count and play the mental mathematics while shooting to win in the Lewis class,they say my scores will fall into that category naturally,,until I get better.,,,,,,,,,,Just wondering because before I asked anyone I signed up with the ATA figuring you should,,LOL,,just like belonging to B.A.S.S. and such.

    Doug H.
     
  6. Unknown1

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    <blockquote><I>"What's the incentive?"</I></blockquote>

    From what I can see it's mostly an ego thing since the overwhelming percentage of shooters at any registered event will be also-rans who have little, if any, chance of winning and merely want to compete with each other to see who is the better shooter among the mediocre.

    It costs more and you generally have to travel further. Puzzles the heck out of me why I ever started doing it or why I keep doing it. Need to ponder on this. Maybe a course change is in order.

    MK
     
  7. esoxhunter

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    Back in the 1970's I used to shoot a lot of registered targets. I then kind of burnt out and didn't shoot for 20 years. Now, as I'm retired I have the time to shoot again. That being said, registered shooting is little different today as it was back in the 70's; i.e. you spend the entire day if you shoot the total program. I spend the entire summer in Wisconsin. They have Lewis Class events throughout the summer. Some are 50 target events and some are 100 target events. I get to visit numerous different clubs and meet some very nice people. Most importantly, I can shoot a 50 target event, (I usually shoot twice on these events); have a nice cold beer and a bratwurst and be home by 2:00pm. How great is that? If you are in the eastern Wisconsin area; stop in and shoot. (See the website above and click on the "calendar" that shows the schedule of shoots this summer). I much prefer this over an ATA shoot. JMHO. Hope to see you there. Ed
     
  8. kiv-c

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    How does one go about looking up ATA scores from the past?

    I shot registered some 30 years ago, and thought it would be fun to look that info up if it's still out there!

    Kiv
     
  9. OldGoat

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    esoxhunter's comments reminded me that about the most fun I have had trapshooting is at unregistered "derby" or Lewis class only shoots where there is more fun and some competition. Lots of great old timers to visit with, model 12s, good coffee, inexpensive targets, and the chance to win maybe $8 (tops) to help with gas money. Plus, at one of the first ones I attended, a former top All-American in his 80s had everybody's attention explaining (bragging) how he didn't really need Viagra! Oh yeah! Wish there were more of these types of shoots around here. Best Regards, Ed
     
  10. shannon391

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    If you only shoot practice, what are you practicing for?
     
  11. BDodd

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    There can be the necessary competition without registering birds. Clubs can throw "Club Shoots" with, say, 50 bird singles and handicap plus 25 pair of doubles and a club maintained set of records for handicapping. Then there are the Elks and the Moose that have thrown competitive events in areas. There is great attendance at clubs throwing backers, annies, and so on for trap game competition. There are local leagues within a club, traveling leagues involving 2 or more reasonably close clubs, and so on. Frankly, I've seen a tendency leaning toward the non-registered trap events which tends to include many of the usual faces and many more new folks that aren't interested in registering birds. According to an on-line financial calculator, the $12 that used to buy 100 registered birds in the mid 1970s would now require more than $50 per entry - thus the loss of "added money" and trophy values dropping in today's world of registered birds and it is hurting the game......Bob Dodd
     
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    Hey Old Goat

    Where were you yesterday?!?!

    We had a registered shoot and you weren't there!
     
  13. Aussie Phil

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    Hi guys

    I've been shooting for about 4 years, and I'm again contemplating stopping shooting the registered events to focus on the local leagues. Costs a lot less, and seem to be more fun, plus generally a lot more shooters. Here in Norcal we have both the south bay and north bay leagues - they shoot a 50 target program, so it's cheaper & quicker, plus we get more shooters. Plus we have our local club league.

    There seems to be a problem/issue with the registered shoots that if you don't shoot 100's in any grade, you won't win. I can go out and shoot my personal best, and continually come away with nothing. I have been in "B" grade since starting to shoot, and I'm about to get moved up to "A" even though I never win anything. Yesterday I shot a 98, and again someone in B grade shot a 100.

    I know that people will reply and say that I'm just not good enough, but I improve every shoot, and it's just discouraging to continually shoot a personal best and come away empty handed. I know that golf handicapping attempts to resolve this issue.

    Perhaps the issue is that people have become so good at the game, the spread between grades is reduced. B grade in particular seems to be extremely tough, as this is where everyone starts.

    I suspect that there is a lot of "target management" that goes on, especially as there is money involved. I couldn't care less about the money, and I don't understand how an organization puts professional shooters together with amateurs, but is still called "amateur". Again, golf seems to very nicely separate the pro's and amateurs.

    Anyway, I hear rumors that the ATA is going to do things to improve competitiveness, and perhaps this will bring more younger shooters into the game.

    Phil
     
  14. Old Cowboy

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    What's the incentive? .......Fame & Fortune!
     
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    Some interesting comments above. Until I developed Post Vitrious Detachment (a delamination of the lining of the eyeball) in 2005, I shot practice and leagues three nights a week and leagues and/or registered all weekend. In hindsight, developing that eye problem was the best thing that ever happened to me.

    I stopped shooting registered in 2006. That year, I only shot at 600 targets in three state shoot singles championships, recording 197s in all three events. That doesn't do much in AA or AAA and after being competitive for many years, it just wasn't as much fun as before, so I now just shoot 100 to 200 practice targets a week along with a smattering of league targets. Now that I'm not spending almost every free minute at a gun club, I've rediscovered a lot of things. My family, first and foremost. Fishing, hunting, rifles, gun collecting, sprint car racing and the list goes on.

    Competitive trapshooting, if you approach it properly, is work. I'm not a "natural" shotgunner; I have to work for every target and really have to bear down and continually keep myself alert for the duration of the event. That can get old after a while and I didn't realize that it was for me until I stopped. Now, I enjoy shooting much more. What am I practicing for? FUN!

    Financially, I'm healthier, too. Whatever you pay to shoot an ATA event, that money is gone when you finish those targets. You received some enjoyment from it if you shot well, but you'll never see those hundreds and thousands of dollars a year again. Now, I buy guns with that money and every time I want to shoot one, it's always waiting for me in my safe and will be there for my son when I'm no longer around.

    Most of all, I enjoy life a lot more. And in the end, when you're gone, what does having tens or even hundreds of thousands of registered targets on your ATA record mean? It means your kids can look at those average cards and target attainment certificates and say, "Look at how much time he could have spent with us."

    Ed
     
  17. ExFedex

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    It puts a little swash in your buckle. Don Verna said it better than I but there is nothing like being out there in a mini-typhoon with water running out of your sleeve, blasting away, feeling like an idiot, and then finding out you won that event. Its fun.
     
  18. smsnyder

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    So you can win the $100.000 at the Grand . This is the only orginization i know that calls it self Amateur and shoots for money. Figure that.
     
  19. JRW

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    I think this question, was answered for me in 1990. MI.state shoot preliminary handicap. My first shoot off 5 of us one round and I am winner. When I turned around there was my 14 yr old son greeting me followed by friends and others who watched the shootoff. I am glad I did not look back during the shootoff. Jerry
     
  20. esoxhunter

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    AveragEd: I hear what you are saying. As stated previously on this thread; I shoot at these small clubs and have a great time. I get to shoot at a number of clubs and it doesn't cost a fortune or take up an entire day. I can shoot 100 targets for $25 to include the Lewis Class and I admit you can't win a fortune; but there are always a few $$ to be made in each class. I'm not in any way saying that people should not join and/or support the ATA. It's just that the ATA no longer interests me. (And I am a life member)! I would rather arrive at a shoot at 10:00 am, have a coffee, shoot, have a brat and a beer, bull$hit with fellow shooters and still have the better part of the day to do other things. I also belong to 2 summer leagues and also a sporting clays league. I get to shoot a lot. Probably as much or more than the average ATA shooter. Good shooting. Ed
     
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