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Why put an adjustable comb on a Trap gun?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by nagantino, Feb 20, 2010.

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  1. nagantino

    nagantino TS Member

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    I own a grade 5 Miroku Trap-gun with the original stock, unaltered. My shooting
    form has diminished in the last year, during which I lost about 14 lbs in
    weight. Frustration has led me to look at having an Adjustable comb cut and
    fitted to my gun. Most guys, but not all, have them fitted at the DTL shoots I
    attend. My basic question is how will an adjustable comb help my shooting? Many fellow shooters have large upward adjustments on the stock, and others have relatively small adjustments. Its confusing.
     
  2. short shucker

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    An adjustable comb will only help if you need a higher POI. If the stock fits fine otherwise, there is no other benefits.

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  3. Setterman

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    Not true, you may have lost enough weight to change your horizontal POI, right and left. If you lost weight off your face, you need to put the gun on paper first and see if it still shoots dead on right and left. Then apply some mole skin and see if raising the comb helps your score.

    Be careful, sometimes mole skin can move your face enough that it affects your right and left POI too.

    As far as I concerned, every trap gun should have an adjustable comb.
     
  4. AveragEd

    AveragEd Well-Known Member

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    Gun stocks are made to fit the "average" person, whoever that is. Everyone's eyes are located in their head differently, their heads are different sizes, the cheekbones have different shapes and their neck lengths aren't the same, so how can a stock possibly fit more than a very few people perfectly?

    To compensate for that with a rifle, you move the rear sight and/or move your head around on the stock. Your eye is the rear sight of a shotgun, so you move it because when shooting a moving gun at a moving target, keeping your head in a position that is anything other than the one that fits the gun stock is all but impossible.

    As Setterman said, an adjustable comb is mandatory if the gun is to shoot exactly where you are looking.

    Ed
     
  5. short shucker

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    Guys,

    I'll have to disagree. 3 of my clay target guns don't have adjustable combs and they fit fine. 2 of the 3 are even trap guns. The only adjustments that I've made to them is a pitch shim and longer pad.

    I have no issues with the horizontal POI and my verticle POI is right where I like it. So I need an adjustable comb?

    I'm 6'3" and 280 lbs so I'm hardly what you'd call average. I need a LOP in the 15" area so I can buy off the shelf just fine.

    I'll stand by my statement of, If the stock fits and you don't need a higher POI then there is no need for an adjustable comb.

    ss
     
  6. Setterman

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    short shucker, you have stated that trap is not your primary game, so how do you know your gun fits perfectly? You must run 25's and 50's everytime from the 16 and 27.

    What factory gun comes with a 15" LOP? Even Berettas come at 14 5/8" to 14 3/4" and they are the longest.

    Based on your statement, you must shoot flat POI guns.
     
  7. short shucker

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    Setterman,

    Your right, trap isn't my primary game. I have no primary game. I try to shoot trap, sporting , and skeet equally. I find it much more rewarding to be a well rounded shooter than a specialist.

    My singles shooting is what you registered shooters would call "A" class, but I detest shooting singles!. Doubles is just a little lower at "B" class. And my yardage shooting is always 25yds + and I'm competitive in league shooting.

    My skeet scores are mid 90's out of 100 with 7/8oz loads (12 or 20).

    My sporting scores are in the low to mid 80's out of a 100 on a reasonable course. It will be a bit lower on a high brow turnament course.

    I think my shooting ability speaks for what I know about gunfit.

    My trap guns shoot 70/30 (not flat) and my sporting/skeet guns shoot 55/45 to 60/40.

    My suggestion is just that, my suggestion. I have the knowledge and ability to determine gunfit for productive shooting and it has served me well.

    As far as the LOP question. All of my O/U's / combo's are Beretta's and a simple pad change and pitch shim brings them out to 15" with zero issues.

    ss
     
  8. W.P.T.

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    My adjustable comb adjusts left, right, up, and down and yes it helps if you gain or lose a lot of weight ... Even little guys like Short Shucker might even gain an advantage with an adjustable comb because us Bigger guys sure do being 6'5, 310#s it come in handy sometimes ... I have a TMX that did not have one on it and though I could shoot it, it did not feel right until I had Tom Larkin put the adjustable comb on it ... I shoot guns with a POI of 70/30 (Model 12's) to over 100% high (TMX) and 80/20 (TM-1) and it does make a difference ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  9. Setterman

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    My point is that none of us can make blanket statements on this site or we will surely screw up a casual or new shooter that may not understand gun fit, combs, the various clay games, etc. One has to be careful about absorbing information off this site.

    I have been criticized for asking people what their averages are and what games they shoot as I try to qualify some people's statements about shooting or stock fitting. I tend to give more credence to those that have performed well under competition stress.

    I shoot ATA, NSCA, and have shot enough Skeet to know that it bores the snot out of me. I have also assembled and fitted stocks for a large number of shooters as well as no more than 6 stocks for myself.

    I can safely say that weight loss and gain changes gun fit. Sometimes quite a bit. Consistancy in shooting technique probably keeps more people from moving up to the next "level", but few will admit that they have a flaw in that regard.

    In short, be careful about information you offer on this site. Some will take it as gospel. That applys to myself as well as anyone else on this site.
     
  10. miketmx

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    I'm 5'10" and average weight for a trapshooter (LOL). I have never had an adjustable comb but all my guns field and trap have a soft leather comb pad because I don't like hard wood against my cheek.
     
  11. whiz white

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    Raise or lower the POI.
     
  12. luvtrapguns

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    If, and only if, the gun stock fits you perfectly there should be little benefit in going to an adjustable comb. But most guns do not fit most people. My guess would be the majority of experienced registerred shooters are shooting a gun that does not fit optimally. Forget about the numbers for the casual shooter. If your gun does not fit properly your only option other than an adjustable comb should be to have a standard stock professionally fitted (not a bad idea for all). The beauty of the adj comb is that you have the opportunity to make changes, small or large, until it works. Once you have it set right for you tighten it down and forget it is adjustable. I have seen many shooters have a bad round and almost before they get back to the clubhouse they are changing the comb setting. Marc
     
  13. kiwiG

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    Hi Gerry, As a fellow DTL shooter my advice is this...buy a crappy old 800W or 3800 with the adjustable hardware on it, tinker to your hearts content over the practice traps comparing it to your G5, then, if you decide adjustable is the way to go find someone reputable to do your nice gun, then flog off the shitty gun for a small loss and no real harm done. Cheers-Graham.
     
  14. Neil Winston

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    An adjustable comb can be a useful crutch for the Moleskin ® challenged.

    Neil
     
  15. Unknown1

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    'Cause the gun doesn't fit right without it and it's a heck of a lot cheaper than a custom stock.

    MK
     
  16. Dave P

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    I found that in real cold weather I needed to move the comb even further to accomodate a piece of mole skin because the bottom of the stock edge where it meets the comb absolutely killed my cheek and induced the flinces.
     
  17. Barry C. Roach

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    What Neil said. The adjustable comb is probably the single best accessory you can have on your gun. It has made a lot of good shooters from mediocre shooters. Unless you're just a traditionalist and have to have an unaltered stock, because that's how the gun came, you need to invest in an adjustable.
     
  18. traphouse52

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    Don't usually comment, but couldn't resist. Setterman is very accurate in what he says. If a person hasn't hso the pattern board on several ocassions to see where their point of impact is then they don't know how the gun fits. 4-way combs are the answer, or a custom made stock , or a stock bent to fit. Face it the factories can't figure out what "average" is since none of them have the same dimensions, even among manufacturers. Just check the catalogs, and then accurately measure some stocks and compare. I would hazard to guess short shuckers stocks are all different. We all can learn to screw our selves into a gun fit, but we will never shoot as well or as easily as we can with a gun that fits and one that we keep fitting as we gain weight or hopefully loose it :) 4-way adjustable combs and visits to the pattern board are the most efficient way to accomplish this goal. My 2 cents worth.
     
  19. KEYBEAR

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    Dave P One time looking at one of Dennis Devault,s Custom stocks I ask Why do you cut the comb so deep . real simple to keep your cheek higher then the cut in the stock .
     
  20. Anchorsteam

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    ...for exactly the same reason they are put on skeet guns...
     
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