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Why is Wisconsin under water? FACTS!

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  1. Luckyman

    Luckyman Active Member

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    ATTACHED: This is the official excel DPI database of teachers wages by school district. Look up your own district !!!


    The current budget repair bill would have them paying about 5.8% towards their own retirement....right now, we the taxpayer, pays 100% of their generous retirement, and most of us pay 100% of our own retirement too.


    AVERAGE WAGE AND BENEFITS (remember this is for about 9 months of work)

    TEACHERS:

    Milwaukee $86,297
    Elmbrook $91,065
    Germantown $83,818
    Hartland Arrwhd $90,285 (highest teacher was $122,952-lowest was $64,942)
    Men Falls $81,099
    West Bend $82,153
    Waukesha $92,902
    Sussex $82,956
    Mequon $95,297
    Kettle Mor $87,676
    Muskego $91,341

    STAFF:

    Arrowhead - Bus Mng - Kopecky - $169,525
    Arrowhead - Principal - Wieczorek - $152,519
    Grmtwn - Asst Princ - Dave Towers - $123,222
    Elmbrk - Burliegh Elemetary - Principal Zahn- $142,315 (for a primary school!!)
    Madison - Asst Principal - McGrath - $127,835


    UNIVERSITY of WISCONSIN STAFF (2009) (salary alone):

    Michael Knetter - Prof of Bus - $327,828
    Carolyn Martin -Chancellor Mad- $437,000
    Hector Deluca - Prof of Nutritional Science - $254,877 (really??)

    (source:Madison.com -as the UW removed salaries from being posted online in 2007- why if they are so low?)


    How about some other "public servant job" ??? What do they make?


    Madison Garbage men (2009) (salary only):


    Garbageman, Mr. Nelson earned $159,258 in 2009, including $109,892 in overtime and other pay.
    Garbageman, Greg Tatman, who earned $125,598
    7 Madison garbage men made over $100,000
    30 Madison garbage men made over $70,000


    MILWAUKEE CITY BUS DRIVERS (salary only):


    136 Drivers made more than $70,000
    54 Drivers made more than $80,000
    18 Drivers made more than $90,000
    8 Drivers made more than $100,000
    Top Driver made $117,000
    (Source WTMJ)

    (The average private bus driver makes $9-13 an hour (about 20,000 yr) with no pension, or healthcare.)



    AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO CONTINUE PAYING 100% OF THEIR GENEROUS RETIREMENT ? THEY HAVE SHUT DOWN SCHOOLS AS THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY 5.8% OF IT THEMSELVES ....REALLY?
     
  2. likes-to-shoot

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    Here is Iowa's top State employees for 2010. Notice the top 4 are coaches and the wages doesn't include endorsements and other incentives.

    Of the top 10 five are related to sports.

    The educational value of coaches are?

    I'm sure none of this has to do with any deficit Iowa's budget has because I didn't see anything about blaming the unions.
     
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    The educational value of coaches are?

    To take gang bangers and show them the value of tattoo's and Nike endorsements
     
  4. Hawk46

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    And now the kids have to go to school extra hours every day to make up the time lost by the teachers playing hooky. Nice.

    Isn't it interesting that not even the conservative media reported these figures. Might change the opinions of some Wisconsin fence-sitters.

    Dave
     
  5. lctrapshooter

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    None of them are Liberal Democrats, and Public UNION (NEA) members. ROFLMAO

    In their words: "It's the kids who will suffer for this."

    I will add the Taxpayers too!
     
  6. likes-to-shoot

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    Timber, Your a lot closer to the truth than most realize. lol
     
  7. Luckyman

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    After reading this crap it makes me believe that I chose the wrong career and state! Really???? A garbage man able to make $125,000 per year is downright criminal!!! I have nothing against garbage men but really??? That is more than most Dr.'s makes after being out of med school for 5 years!!
     
  8. SeldomShoots

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    Lucky, maybe a garbageman is a profession you should consider. Who knows you may have all the qualifications necessary to really clean up, no pun intended. Seriously, are the wages you cited, 100% the fault of unions? It seems that school boards, towns, cities, counties and state government can determine how much they can budget. Management can certainly determined if more employees are needed as opposed to paying overtime. Some of the fault has to rest upon those who approve, okay or fail to properly manage such practices.

    Is a garbage man worth $125K, probably not, until your yard, garage and house pile up with garbage. Is a doctor worth $125K, probably not until you really need one. In your earlier thread about "Wisconsin Bus Driver makes $159,000" you called me liberal because I stated:

    "Lucky, there is nothing in my posts that gives rise to calling me liberal. Just because I would like to see fundamental fairness and financially covservative operations in business that applies to labor and managment, and in government that applies to democrats and republicans does not make me anything more than a fed up American who is tired of the B.S. from both sides."

    The fundamental fairness I referred to is nothing more than financial conservative common sense. When a company is doing well, reward those who helped make it a sucess. When it loses money make those responsible take a pay cut, including members of management who did not perform well, and cut all of variable costs where you can. Isn't that what you do or would do in your own business? The problem is that when labor is asked to take a pay cut, management does not take a proportionate pay cut. Sometimes they take a bonus. When labor is rewarded, management is typically rewarded on a much greater scale. Can you blame labor for asking for more when management takes more? This has been an ongoing issue dating back to the 50's and beyond. Management in the private sector and government basically agreed to cashing checks they couldn't afford to. Worst of all, board of directors, management, government officials and unions all failed to play fair, and with a head for business and the possibility that we may not always be able to afford what we are agreeing to. Further, they failed to exercise some sound financial decision making and common sense for the good of their companies and America.

    I am not a union worker, but if I was a factory worker, or laborer and management came to me and said: "We are having financial issues and in order to keep your job and keep this facility going you have to take a pay cut or give up your cost of living increase." Think about how much easier it would be for me or any working person to agree to such a request if management or the head honchos were taking a proportionate pay cut, rather than a raise. You may think its a socialist concept, but believe it or not, labor and management succeed or fail together. Its just that labor typically feels the effects of a failure first, and eventually it gets a lot of managment in the end, they just don't see it coming.

    So, the moral of the story is its not 100% of the unions fault, the fault is shared by many.

    John

    P.S. Keep thinking lower case, you've almost weaned yourself from the Caps Lock.
     
  9. halfmile

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    luvs, the local and county governments have not been able to do much because the collective bargaining that was done heretofore increased costs considerably. This resulted in budget shortfalls and, of course the inevitable property tax increases.

    Green Bay board of Education had a 20 million dollar shortfall, and because they put a bunch of givebacks into the new contract (Trying to beat the Budget Repair Bill) the shartage was reduced to 5 million.

    Eliminating most of the collective bargaining (not all) will give these local entities the ability to control costs in a much easier fashion.

    HM
     
  10. SirMissalott

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    Hey Timber if it wasn't for the NFL NBA MLB etc are prisons would really be overcrowded!!
     
  11. Luckyman

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    This is ENTIRELY THE UNIONS FAULT! WAKE UP! Again a garbage man making $125,000 is downright CRIMINAL AND IS STEALING FROM THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER and you think that is FAIR!!! FAIR!!! LOL! You don't know what fair is Luvs to shoot!!!

    I'm sorry but in America and a capitalistic society you pay someone for the value they bring to the table based on their skill set..If you think the skill set of a garbage man is valued at $125,000 or a Bus driver at $159,000 you have no clue!! After reading your threads I have come to accept that!! Oh I get it now...It's only fair if your on the receiving end and then everyone is worth what they are getting right? All on the backs of the hard working taxpayer!!! Again!! WAKE THE F-UP! Please!!
     
  12. SeldomShoots

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    Lucky, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

    John

    P.S. Keep working on your Caps Lock rehab.
     
  13. Luckyman

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    Trying to reason with people like you drives me to using caps....Either way I understand that you will never get it...How can you? You have been part of the problem for so long how can you possible understand?
     
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    Lucky, I'm 44, if I have been part of the problem for so long, how long have you been part of the solution? Do you take a pay increase when your business is not doing well? Do you reward the workers that help your business make more? You didn't answer those questions. As I recall you are an IT consultant. Are you a one man operation or do you have employees? I'm not sure who could work for you or with you based on the behavior that you exhibit on this website. However, being anonymous can certainly lead one to act differently than if someone actually knows you. I suppose you thrive on that.

    I worked as labor, management and been self-employed. Have you worked in all fields, so that you have the experience to speak of these matters? Are you worth what you make, and just how hard does an IT consultant work? Most consultants I ever met were good at giving opinions, but not much when it came to hands on work. One reason why garbage men earn good wages is because it is a filthy job. I would presume that you don't work in that field because you don't want to get dirty. I wonder what occupation you would be in if this were forty to fifty years earlier and computers were not around in business as they are now.

    John

    P.S. Are you from Wisconsin, that you keep beating this dead horse?
     
  15. SeldomShoots

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    halfmile,

    I can't dispute your statement that the elimination of collective bargaining will help the situtation, but it is not a cure all. Reduction of spending toward labor, school facilities, superintendents and managers is going to be necessary to get things under control. I think you are well aware of that though, unlike Lucky who thinks union labor is the only thing causing problems in America.

    John
     
  16. Luckyman

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    Your right John....In addition to unions it's people just like you that are causing problems in America...Why don't you move out that way we don't have to go through trying to reprogram your Union brainwashed mind....You will never ever get it and I understand it...The only one beating a dead horse is you...Everyone know where the problem lies except the people that are part of the problem...I am a business owner and create jobs!! You either create a tax burden with your unreasonable union demands or a burden on the company that is overpaying for Union labor either way the cancer has been discovered and we are now prescribing the treatment!!! Bye! Bye!

    UNIONS ARE DONE AS WELL THE PUKES LIKE YOU THAT SUPPORT THEM...I work for everything I have and did not to go a Big 10 University to become a garbage man...Now I get it! That's what you are! A garbage man! It's all starting to come together!
     
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    Like so many times before, you are, in the immortal words of John McLaughlin, . . . . WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!. That is the third time you have been wrong about me.

    How about that, my cap locks work too. Now I will probably get the Luckyman Caps Lock addiction.

    If you create jobs, tell us how many. Are you scared to tell us, or could it be that you don't have any employees, and are just preaching about stuff you no nothing about? What union are IT consutants a part of? If you are an independant contractor/business owner, how many times have you had to pay your employees, if any, prevailing wage? As I have said before, you're all form and no substance, and as always, you set a good example of how not to act.

    John

    P.S. I went to a Big 10 school also, (and graduated), but you said you should have become a garbageman above. I guess if you are not making $125K a year or more, you're Big 10 degree isn't worth what you think it is. I never let school get in the way of my education, sounds like you may have.
     
  18. Luckyman

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    Hey John...Your all IDIOT...I employ 100% more people than you will ever employ..

    Your lack of education is showing John...Afraid to tell everyone what you do? All you can do is try to attack people you can't compile a quantifiable arguemnet against?

    Again...Your all IDIOT John and I understand your mental shortcomings!!! I think I speak for many on this web-site when I say that your Liberalism stinks to high heaven and you need to take it somewhere else!!! Your stinking up this great site!
     
  19. len loma

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    I live in Wisconsin all my life and am 54yrs old. The sad fact is I can not afford to retire in Wisconsin because of taxes. I have seen my property taxes double in the last 10 yrs. I am not very smart but can only estimate my property taxes at the time of my retirement age to be at least $10,000. I have two choices either work until they throw dirt on me or retire to another state. I don't see the public employees pension and benefits which exceeds the private sector as not being a large part of problem why it is so expensive to live in Wisconsin.

    Len
     
  20. Luckyman

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    But Len...It's not the fact that garbage men and bus drivers can make over 6 figures that is causing the problem is it? I wonder why your taxes are so high? Unions can't be at fault can they?

    John/luvs2shoot please tell Len why his taxes have doubled in the last 10 years in Wisconsin? The birthplace of collective bargaining for Public Service Unions....
     
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