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Why is there sp much complaining?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 9point3, May 17, 2012.

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  1. 9point3

    9point3 Well-Known Member

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    What the heck is the problem? There seems to always be a thread or two about targets being too easy and we need to widen the angles as well as slow down the shells and so on.

    What is the real issue? What are you guys tryinng to fix? If trap is so easy, why did the ATA send out so many two yard reductions?
     
  2. Rick Barker

    Rick Barker Well-Known Member

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    Because we are all nuts???
     
  3. 391 shooter

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    9point,

    It just goes back to the old adage, You Can Not Please Everyone, no matter what you do. This is what I see on here and there are those that just love to stir the bucket. In the end it boils down to shoot targets or not, it is a personal choice.

    The htreads make for interesting reading into the thoughts of others.

    If it is soo easy why are there not hundreds or thousands of 100 scores across the board.

    I shoot because I like to, I play by the rules set up and move on, All participating at that tournament have the same targets.

    The only thing that really pisses me off is having my squad and several other squads shot a house and the next group comes up and has it changes after the event is started, now that my friend pisses me off to no end.
     
  4. Twinbirds

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    In a nutshell, there are those who have perfected this sport to the point where they are in an elite group. The game is not as challeging as it once was. This tends to lead to even higher averages for the elite, and everyone else. The two yard reduction was an effort to give the average shooter a chance to be more competitive with the elite. The system is broke and has been since the industry division was dropped. There are professionals who do little else other than shoot. They are the ones sucking the life blood out of this sport. There is no fairness at the tournaments. The elite are catered to, average joe gets ignored about target settings, etc. You'll see lots of empty squads on the line because someone has pulled squads to play the weather. So you are shooting against someone who shoots all the time, is granted special favors, and has the ability to beat over 95% of the people there at any given time. No bitch just facts.
     
  5. Avaldes

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    There also seems to be a desire to return to the days where attendance was much higher and prize money was much more readily available. I am not sure if those two things are related to the rules or not.
     
  6. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    A very good friend told me once - Trapshooters are diffrent from puppies. The puppie will quit whining and a trapshooternever d0es
     
  7. grntitan

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    What "391 shooter" said. I could not have said it any better.
     
  8. W.P.T.

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    we all wnat gas to be $.30 per gallon and Federal Papers for $40.00 per case (20 boxes not 10) not like the flats today ... Cheap targets, more money, better conditions, Rest rooms that are surigcally clean, fresh paint on the walls inside and out, paved parking, air conditioned area to wait until its our turn to shoot, and they have a canopy to shade us from the sun ... Better score keepers in shorter shorts, bigger targets, targets thrown right were we are holding the gun so we don't have to do anything more than pull the trigger and reload ... Free dinners and drinks are just a few things that people complain about, so FUGETABOUTIT and shoot ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  9. ivanhoe

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    "If trap is so easy, why did the ATA send out so many two yard reductions?"

    Quite simple really to try to increase handicap participation. The thing is the problem is on the other end of the handicap scale. You can move twenty yard shooters to 18 or you can move 24 yard shooters to 22. When they shoot qualifying score they will progress back toward the yardage they came from.

    On the other hand the 27 yard shooters can be moved to 25 but they can never go beyond 27. If they win every event they enter they stay right where they are at 27. Not so long ago a 96, 97, or a 98 would win at major shoots. Now for the most part it takes a 99 or 100 to win the handicap. The majority of yardage paid out at major shoots goes to 27 yard shooters.

    Kind of makes it hard to get real enthusiastic about spending your hard earned money in shoots that you need 100 to win the handicap, wouldn't you say.

    Bob Lawless
     
  10. Setterman

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    You are wrong Bob. Last year I posted the winners of 6 major handicap events across the country. 27 yarders won less than 50% of the time, but often had more than 50% of the handicap shooters.

    Often, less than 50% of the 27 yarders broke a score in the 90's

    There are some 27 yarders that dominate, but they are a small percentage, and they follow the good weather through the winter so their odds and averages are very good.
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    Setterman go to Stuart's website pick any major shoot that has been held so far this year. Count the number of 27 yard shooters that took yardage as apposed to the other yardages.

    I do this for all events that Stuart posts. You say they often have more than 50% of the shooters. Have you ever asked yourself why??? One of two reason there are either more 27 yard shooters than the other yardages because they can go no further. Second reason less shorter yardage shooters enter the events because of what it take to win.

    BTW I am not specifically talking about winning I am talking about who take the Lions share of the yardage payouts. Those numbers show almost every shoot the 27 yard shooters take more yardage than any other yardage and in many cases more than all the other yardages.

    I go through every shoot that Stuart reports on not just a few major events. So please don't start saying I am wrong until you do the same as I do when it comes to checking who is getting yardage and who isn't.

    Bob Lawless
     
  12. Nutso

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    Because some people aren't happy unless their unhappy.
     
  13. Hap MecTweaks

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    "There are some 27 yarders that dominate, but they are a small percentage, and they follow the good weather through the winter so their odds and averages are very good."

    How true Setterman!

    Looking back on our sports history of "shooter" domination, there was a time our leadership made changes in an attempt to prevent total domination. That,, even if it was only ONE man doing so!

    "If targets are so easy?" Certainly NOT for the average ATA shooter that pays the freight of running the organization! Especially when the average shooter's 16 yard average couldn't come close to those who've mastered the game of handicap shooting from the 27 yard line! Under the current set of yardage rules our max yardage is becoming a fluster cluck of mediocre shooters merely growing the size of that group! I can't see that as growing our sport?

    "Shoot more?" Yes, that would certainly help any dedicated shooter but still doesn't address this shooter domination dilemma we've allowed to overhaul our sport. Have any of you guys telling others to shoot more checked out the averages of those guys topping a million targets or so? If shooting more was the total answer, they should be in the big dog category but thats just not so or even close!

    Personally speaking, I want only whats best for a sport I happen to love! Phil Kiner is one of the few accomplished shooters thats stated openly our handicap game needs some changes. Historically speaking, our sport was veered off course in the very early 80s via a weak leadership by accepting a cheating practice of throwing easier targets for those that had already mastered the game! Just the opposite of what our leadership did during our most successful years of membership growth!

    Yes, I shoot from the max and have won from there when the top shooters were competing also but our handicap game still needs to address the domination issue! Just as our leadership of old approached the domination issue and solved it!

    Hap
     
  14. notquite27

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    Twinbirds, you hit the nail on the head!
     
  15. Auctioneer

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    WHY ARE YOU ASKING SUCH STUPID QUESTIONS? WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM? COMPLAIN COMPLAIN COMPLAIN. THATS ALL YOU DO. LOL
     
  16. dead on 4

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    The way to excel at any endeavor is hard work, dedication and commitment, these are ingredients and foundation to obtain successful results in any pursuit. Hard work, dedication and commitment are only part of the equation, it's not the smartest, strongest, quickest biggest or the one who pratices the most that rises to the very top, its the best competitor it their field of choice. It's almost always without exception the best competitor who wins, not the best shot.

    I think to many people are quick to complain about people those who have done the work, learned the skills necessary to reach the top. No one walks on and floats to the highest level of performance, they work at it daily until they perfect the skills that takes and keeps them at the top.

    Life is ebb and flow, new will replace old and those replacements will reach the top as those before them, working hard with total dedication and 100% commitment and a complete and clear understanding what it takes to be a top competitor, it has nothing to do with hard or soft targets, twenty or forty yard targets it's all about mind-set, either you learn it, or you don't, simple or is it.........

    Surfer
     
  17. oleolliedawg

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    Surfer, with your attitude you're wasting your time shooting Trinket Trap. Maybe a move to professional Golf would be more lucrative. How many Golf balls will it take to be as good as Tiger Woods!!
     
  18. dead on 4

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    Dawg,
    If you go to trinket venues that's what you'll end up with, trinkets. No question most of the money's gone out of trap shooting to the casino's, online gambling sights and elsewhere, but just like big tournaments, big races, big games there's still money in trap shooting. Vernal, satellite grands and the Grand American all offer good sums of money along with other select venues.

    If money turns your clock, then you should position yourself to be where the money is, not where it isn't and accept the fact there are fewer money venues. Maybe you need to do like a number of Indy drivers have done and jump to NASCAR to increase their winnings ten fold, there's always flyers if money's the only reason you pull a trigger.

    The facts reamain, there's always room at the top if you're willing apply yourself as everyone else at the top has done and contrary to some, there's plenty of top shooters who hold down full time jobs and these obligations come first before anything else.

    As far as Tiger's concerned, his lack of confidence has blocked his ability to be the top "competitior" he once was, no matter how many balls he hits. it's in the head, winning that is.........

    Surfer
     
  19. Martinpicker

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    Over thirty years ago I was president of a small club that hosted ATA shoots about three times a year. The whiners and gripers drove me out of the club and away from the sport for thirty years! Just ignore them and enjoy shooting! (My new mantra is "tolerance".) Jack
     
  20. oleolliedawg

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    Surfer, you still haven't told me how many balls I need to hit to beat Tiger on a bad day. How much knowledge and dedication does it require to be a top professional golfer, pool player, ball player, dart shooter, hockey player, basketball star and a few unnamed others? I hate to break your heart surfer but the #1 requirement is ABILITY. Without that, you 'aint going nowhere. So you can tell anyone who'll listen that more practice without natural ability will somehow make them into a champion then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'll sell you-cheap!!
     
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