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Why is barell needed on guns?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by need to shoot more, Dec 19, 2009.

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  1. need to shoot more

    need to shoot more Active Member

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    Hello shooters,
    I am curious when I see a thread with barell work done by________!
    what are they doing that the manufactures do not or will not do?
    I am sure they can market a barell upgrade option? Chevy sell a S.S. Packge, Dodge RT and Ford the GT etc.
    Jim Zee
     
  2. KEYBEAR

    KEYBEAR Active Member

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    Not real sure what a barell is ??

    If you mean barrel OK . I have had barrel work done on four guns all shot better . No one makes a gun barrel that is always satisfactory to the owner . At some point in trapshooting your looking for anything that can get you that one target in a hundred. When you get to that point you will understand why you need barrel work .
     
  3. hmb

    hmb Well-Known Member

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    They do precision work which mass produced barrels can not attain. HMB
     
  4. KEYBEAR

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    If you need to ask ??
     
  5. TOOLMAKER 251

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    What I don't understand is when Perazzi and Krieghoff make fixed choked barrels they make several hundred a year with the same tooling, same forcing cone reamers, same lead angle that goes into the beginning of the choke area. Some people think they have problems with the pattern and others don't, so it's either bullshit or the problem is in the harmonics of the barrel.
     
  6. KEYBEAR

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    Barfin And you know this how ??
     
  7. blkcloud

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    I would venture to say the average shooter would never need barrel work, i have never need any that i know of in 30 years.. I would also venture to say that Kay Ohye could beat your sock off with a stock gun...
     
  8. need to shoot more

    need to shoot more Active Member

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    First off I apoloagize for the poor grammer, I understand stock modifications, trigger work but barrel work on a 5,8 or 10k never seemed to make sense but at the end of the day a stock mod., trigger mod. and barrel work to offer a few extra birds i guess.
     
  9. KEYBEAR

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    Barfin that,s one .

    There is a reason most (most) of the big dogs in trap shooting have barrle work done .

    Barrle Modifying has been around as long as trap shooting .

    Do you really think Tom Wilkinson could not help the pattern of a Winchester Model-37 ??
     
  10. jim brown

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    Because people will try or buy anything to get a good score quickly and without work. After they buy it they sure aren't going to say it don't work. If they say it was worthless that would be saying they were foolish to buy it and they ain't going to admit that. So on and on we go spending our money to fix things that aren't broken when we should be spending it for practice.

    jim brown
     
  11. Smiley

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    perhaps we should ask Phil,Leo,Kaye or any of the BIG DOGS what they do to their guns other than shoot them with no errors that lead to the lost target
     
  12. zzt

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    Toolmaker251, a couple of my current barrels did not perform to expectation in their factory state. My previous barrels did. When I sent the new barrels to Kerry Allor to fix, he made a special point to call and tell me why the unsingle barrel wasn't right. He was horrified, but not surprised.

    As with anything that requires some handwork, give it to a bozo, or a newbie, and you don't get good results. It happens. Even if 90% of the Perazzi barrels left the factory in perfect condition, the 10% that weren't perfect amount to a large number. Having worked in a tool & die shop which included final hand fitting and grading of Volstro milling heads, I can tell you the percentage of close to perfect specimens is closer to 10% than to 90%.
     
  13. Neal Crausbay

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    In 1976 there was a gentleman at the Grand who was selling optical devices that you could insert in your shotgun barrel and view the light rings to determine if the barrel shot high, low, left or right. He was set up just West of the Beer Tent in front of one of the vendor’s buildings. I carried him my barrel from my Rem. 870 and after viewing it with his device stated that I should get another barrel as this one was egg shaped and would shoot low and to the left.

    I gave him a smile and said thank you. What he never knew was this barrel had broken two 100’s from the 27 in the prior 13 months for me.

    Do you suppose that if I had had a perfect barrel this two might have been 5 or 6? I don’t think so. I always just laughed and said that without the egg shape and the low left I might not have had ANY 100/27.
     
  14. code5coupe

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    "As one reaches the exalted status of Big Dog a cryogenic overbore ream job is probably needed."

    This is true. Only after a shooter has several hundred 100x100's under his belt, can he realize that his gun's balerr is faulty and needs the ministrations of a precision balerr-smith to make it right.
     
  15. short shucker

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    This is an easy test for those of you who don't believe barrel work, works.

    Shoot an 870 comp sometime and pattern the barrel on a board. Compare this pattern with any other factory barrel you want.

    All 870 comp barrels were hand massaged from the factory. These barrels perform way better than any barrel has a right to. Even our resident patterning specialist, Neil Winston, says that his 870 comp barrel has the best pattern he's ever tested.

    ss
     
  16. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Neal, I remember that guy at the grand with the barrel device. I think around 1978 he sold it to someone else, then got into palm reading and retired a wealthy man.
     
  17. GW22

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    The best of the best can certainly benefit from barrel work, but to the rest of us it might be as much psychological as anything else.

    The wife of a former coworker of mine hit a plateau at the trap range and became convinced that, in order to improve her scores, she needed her old gun back (it was actually Hubby's previous gun, with extensive barrel work and the stock shortened to fit her). The old gun was available but wasn't cheap, plus the shortened stock had been replaced. So Hubby and I first went out to pattern her "bad" gun. It looked fine. So, as what started out as a joke, he asked me to keep it for a couple weeks then he gave it back to her with the new "barrel work." As you can probably guess, her scores immediately improved. This ruse was going to be our big joke on her, but she was so thrilled about her higher scores that he couldn't bring himself to tell her.

    But seriously, as my doctor once explained, a placebo effect is still very much an effect. In other words, if you BELIEVE that eating oysters improves your libido, then guess what... it DOES.

    -Gary
     
  18. ysr_racer

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    Because it gives us something to bitch about on the internet?
     
  19. crusha

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    Has anybody ever heard a barrel worker make the following statement:

    "Mr. Johnson, I've examined your barrel and it looks fine as-is...I'm charging my minimum $50 evaluation fee, plus shipping...no further work required."


    The question is not are the barrels "good" after they come back from these guys. The real question is - how many of them were already good before going there?


    True story - I know a shooter who owned several Perazzis over a 10 year period. He'd get a new one every few years, and upon purchase (usually as a treat for himself at the Grand) he would have the dealer send it directly to Wilkinson BEFORE he even took delivery of it. He hadn't even shot it yet, much less patterned it.


    Now how would this person know if that work improved his barrel, or not? (As an aside, he eventually wound up buying a Silver Seitz, which he sent - you guessed it - out for barrel work before he ever shot it, even though it was a $10,000 hand-made gun).


    I'm not saying barrel workers add no value, mind you. The idea that a barrel smith can take a defective barrel and make it better, probably makes sense.


    But the idea that he can take a good, properly-manufactured barrel, and make it "better," is probably a load of crap.


    I agree with Jim Brown - no uncritical sucker is ever going to admit they've been had.
     
  20. JerryP

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