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WHY DOESN'T THE ATA ENDORSE CALCUTTAS?

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    WHY DOESN

    Hello:
    The other night I was at a local gun club and a newer ATA shooter started talking to me about Calcuttas. He found it ironic that in ATA shooting, a large percentage of shooters play the money, but mention a Calcutta, and the ATA does not want anything to do with it. I told him him to my understanding Calcuttas, shooter auctions, what ever you want to call it are illegal. He said how can we shoot for money, and that is not illegal, but a Calcutta is considered illegal? Doesn't make any sense to him, or to myself now that I think of it. Any opinions out there on this guys question?
    Steve Balistreri
     
  2. Bisi

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    There are a lot of things that don't make sense. I can walk down the street to the conv. store and spend my whole paycheck (if I had a paycheck) and blow it on Indiana scratch off lottery tickets, or go to the casino and drop my networth on the blackjack table, but I can't roll the dice to see whom buys beer at the local bar. WTF?????????????
     
  3. GUOmaha

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    betting on football spread is also illegal in most states.
     
  4. bigdogtx

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    I would give you two options:

    1. Because of the size of the prize and the way of obtaining the winnings; it could be construed by some to be gambling. Therefore, you would need a license (which is not obtainable in MANY states) and may lose your 501(c)3 status.

    2. If the ATA took in monies from this it may also negate the 501(c) 3 status.

    * These are only assumptions. It is not meant to be legal advice. You should check with your legal or tax advisor.
     
  5. Jeff P

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    Well, in alaska, we (the ATA) endorsed them for many years.

    Then the State passed a law EXPRESSLY forbidding them - they were also popular for fishing touraments up here - but since, as noted above, the betting is typically on another shooter, its true gambling.

    So we quit.
     
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    I think it's closer to para-mutual betting on horse races...
     
  7. bas

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    Playing purses and options, you are "betting" on yourself...that is not considered gambling. A calcutta, you are betting on someone else. That is considered gambling, and in most states, gambling is illegal...unless the casino is on Native American Land.

    Rick explained it pretty well. I don't recall the ATA ever condoning Calcutta's....at least not in the last 25 or 30 years.
     
  8. Big Heap

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    Has any Calcutta at a trapshoot ever been raided by the law? Sometime in the dim distant past some ATA official decided the Calcutta should be banned.

    Golf Calcutta's are specifically allowed in Washington State Law, with some caveats, so they are allowed in other sporting events.
     
  9. senior smoke

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    makes more sense now. I will tell this newer shooter. I also learned something.
    Steve Balistreri
     
  10. mobear

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    That is why most clubs that have calcutas refer by other names. At my club when we held them the were called "special event".
     
  11. Joe Woods

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    Once upon a time.!!
    A teenage shooter who shot on my provincial youth team, attended a weekend shoot and was involved in a special event. he had neglected to mention he had received a yard the previous week. Shot the event at the wrong yardage.
    After shooting he came to me and told me he had received a yard the week before and had forgotten to tell the shoot commitee at the current shoot.
    He was high gun at the current event and I had to disqualify him. The buyer of the high gun shooter was not happy. He made it very clear to me.
    Nothing I could do. Being the ATA rep. all I could do was disquaify the shooter. Did not get involved in buyer situation.

    Joe Woods/Ontario
     
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    A question that should never come up on a public forum.
     
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    Silverbulletexpress, I was thinking the EXACT same thing. The originator should ask David to delete this entire thread.
     
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    Big Heap- Many years ago at a State Shoot just a little North of Virginia was visited by the County Sheriff on Thursday afternoon. He informed the Delegate that it was reported to him that a Calcutta was to be held on Saturday. The Sheriff stated that he would visit the club again on Saturday and if a Calcutta was held, he would immediately close the shoot down. The Delegate stopped the Calcutta.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    You live in Wisconsin and you don't know calcuttas are illegal?

    What closet have you been hiding in?

    They revoke tavern owners' licenses for having football pools, for God's sake.

    Only the Indian tribes are allowed to conduct gambling activities in this state. Unless you count church bingo.

    HM
     
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    DELETE! Thread.
    Bob S
     
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    It is a pretty simple answer. It is legal to wager on yourself but illegal to wager on another person. Here in Idaho Calcuttas are held but when a buyer buys a team, he or she must shoot at least one target on that team. It is a simple way around the Law. The buyer shoots on straight away target from 16 yards and they are called special events
     
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    Why delete the thread?

    It was not a stupid question.

    No one forces anybody to shoot or bet on a special event. We are adults and make our own decisions.

    Don Verna
     
  19. senior smoke

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    Please reread my original question?
    Steve
     
  20. senior smoke

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    Joe Woods:
    Years ago Vic Reinders would take names of shooters that did well at special event shoots. He would make sure that they had their ATA yardage increased. Over the years I have not heard of shooters in special events getting any additional ATA yardage. I found your response to be interesting as I was unaware that non ATA shooters could get their ATA yardage increased? Is this customary?
    Steve
     
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