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Why does the NRA have to lie??

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Mac V, Jun 25, 2007.

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  1. Mac V

    Mac V Guest

    The NRA is currently circulating pleas to Pennsylvanians to contact their legislators and ask them to reject House Bill 29 which would require owners of lost or stolen guns to report the loss or theft within 24 hours of its discovery.

    In their communication, the NRA characterizes the Bill as stating:

    <blockquote>"The proposal would make it a crime to fail to report the loss or theft of a firearm to police within 24 hours of when you "discover or should have discovered" the missing firearms."</blockquote>

    The Bill, which can be found here ...H.B. 29 ... does not even contain the words the NRA quotes: "discover or should have discovered". Nor does the NRA even mention that the Bill in no way carries any proposal or suggestion of a gun registration program.

    The definition of the offense in the bill reads:

    <blockquote>(a) Offense defined.--A person who is the owner of a firearm<br>
    23 that is lost or stolen and who fails, within 24 hours after the<br>
    24 loss or theft is discovered, to report the loss or theft to an<br>
    25 appropriate local law enforcement official commits a summary<br>
    26 offense, punishable by a fine of up to $500.</blockquote>

    The Bill also includes a 6 month prohibition against firearms purchases for anyone convicted of intentionally withholding a report of a lost or stolen gun.

    There's nothing wrong with this bill and I find it disgusting that the NRA thinks it needs to stoop to intentional deception to further its agenda. I immediately makes me wonder how many other times they're done the same thing in the past? If lying to their members is their idea of defending the 2nd amendment, they can count on NOT seeing my renewal money next year.

  2. bwvan

    bwvan TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Sounds to me like you'll be doing them a favor.
  3. smartass

    smartass TS Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    Mac V, if you can't see the problem with that stupid law, you don't belong in a great organization like the NRA. How about joining the ACLU instead?
  4. smartass

    smartass TS Member

    Jan 15, 2006
    Trappy (dumbass), the NRA isn't lying about this bad bill- you and Mike just don't have a clue.
  5. phirel

    phirel TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Mike- Line 24 contains the word discovered. If you were charged under this bill and made the defense that you did not discover the loss, but your normal activities were such that you should have discovered the loss, you have a serious problem. In a legal sense, the word discover would include "should have discovered".

    I think the NRA did a fine job truthfully explaining the bill.

    Pat Ireland
  6. Harold

    Harold TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Mac, did the NRA say it was a registration bill? The above quote does not say that. It could be viewed as a step in that direction.

    I would guess that the bill could be interpreted just as the NRA suggests; otherwise it would have no teeth, as you could just say you didn't notice the gun was missing. Maybe they had some legal precedent for saying what they did.
  7. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Beijing, China
    I'm struggling with "why" the State of Pennsylvania NEEDS such a law?

    Is there a serious problem in the State with people not reporting firearms thefts, such that you have to threaten law-abiding citizens with a crime if they fail to report a crime AGAINST THEM promptly?

    What's the point of this law, if not to harrass law-abiding gun owners?

    We have enough gun laws already. This one sounds stupid to me.
  8. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Oxford MA
    Here in this State it could also mean the loss of your future rights to own a gun. Because in The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts if you are involved in any breach of the gun laws it is grounds for refusal of the renewal of your LTC or FID permit. Just one more reason it is a bogus law and will effect only the legal gun owner. By making him/her a criminal. BTW if the law is on the books now and they stiffen the gun laws in PA it will/could have the same affect.

    Bob Lawless
  9. jnoemanh

    jnoemanh TS Member

    May 20, 2007
    Why does the NRA lie? It's simple, just think about what the business of the NRA is...it's business is raising money, and the NRA raises money by fearmongering. "Send money to us or *they* will take your guns away". That's the lie the NRA repeats over and over, in different words, but always the same message. Send us money so you will be protected. It reminds me of the TV Evangelists who say over and over and over again: "You must tithe, you must plant a seed of faith if you don't want to go to Hell, so send me your money."
  10. Beancounter

    Beancounter TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Mac V, why are you trolling your anti gun ideology on a gunning web site??

    Life Member of the NRA
  11. oz

    oz Active Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    If the state would enforce the multitude of laws already on the books they wouldn't need any new stupid laws. Now the state(s) want to let criminals out of prison to save money and they want to build new courthouses instead of new jails. go figure. oz
  12. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Deplorable Bitter Clinger in Liberal La La Land
    This bill has one purpose and one purpose only - it's intended to thwart anyone who has a firearm that's been banned from later claiming to the police that it got stolen when they get around to asking for it or an explanation of where it went.
  13. T/C

    T/C TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    So Mr. Mac V, I'm rowing my boat across the Raystown Dam, and my shotgun falls over board and sinks the the depth of 100 feet, never to be seen again by anyone. I don't report this to the PD, and I'm a criminal. Yea, this is a good law, we need more laws like this, bunches and bunches of more stupid laws. And bunches and bunches of and people like Mac V. Some people just make my ass raw. T.
  14. jnoemanh

    jnoemanh TS Member

    May 20, 2007
    "jnolmanh; Perhaps if you were a gun owner or shooter, you might understand why the NRA is beneficial to those of us that are. If the Second Amendment means nothing to you, your on the wrong site or your just here to stir thing up with your negative attitude."

    WTF are you talking about? I own lots of guns and I do lots of shooting. In fact unless you've been shooting for a long time, and have spent lots of money, I own more guns and have shot more than you have...in fact there's a good chance my wife owns more and shoots more than you do, so stuff that "if you were" up where the sun don't shine.

    This is a trapshooting site, right? It's not a gunowners site, or a second amendment site, or a "...cold dead hands" site. The NRA appeals to the irrational fear of gun nuts, and what's that got to do with most trapshooters who have been shooting for years, and have no fear that there will be any law from preventing us from doing so in the future.

    If you want to rant about gun ownership, there are plenty of gun nut sites you can go to where you can trade lies with like minded folks.
  15. Bob_K

    Bob_K Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Afton, Virginia
    The basic problem (among many) with this bill is that it is directed against the victim, and not the perpetrator.
  16. JohnBT

    JohnBT TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    "This is a trapshooting site, right? It's not a gunowners site"

    How do you shoot trap without a gun?

    Member www.vcdl.org
    NRA Patron
  17. jnoemanh

    jnoemanh TS Member

    May 20, 2007
    ""This is a trapshooting site, right? It's not a gunowners site"

    How do you shoot trap without a gun?"

    I can't shoot trap without a gun, so you're saying that makes this a gunowner's site? It would make just as much sense to say this is a clay target site, or a shotshell site, or a trap site.

    What I am saying is that there are plenty of trapshooters, like me, who aren't anal about some irrational fear that our guns are going to be taken away. It simply hasn't and isn't going to happen, no matter how much fearmongering the NRA does. I happen to know something about gun ownership and transfers and laws since I got my FFL in 1977. I can handle, and buy and sell and own guns all day long, and so can anyone else who obeys some simple laws. There are more laws governing the ownership of an automobile than there are about guns.

    So if you want to rant and rave about *they* are after your guns...go where you'll find like minded people. You can tell each other all about *they* are after you. Meanwhile the rest of can go about enjoying our sport.
  18. Beancounter

    Beancounter TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    jnoemanh - a true exchange of ideas requires open minds and rational statements. The NRA has successfully defeated gun bans that would include some trap guns. The NRA keeps citizens informed so they can contact legislators and maintain gun rights. The NRA and other orgs like Second Ammendment, Citizens for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, etc form a powerful lobby that keeps the anti gunners at bay. Diane Feinstein has stated that she would go for legislation that would have all of us turning in all our guns. These are not NRA lies. Chuck and Teddy would join in. Many others as well. You could use a reality check or please tell me what color the sky is in your world.
  19. jnoemanh

    jnoemanh TS Member

    May 20, 2007
    HaveGunWill Travel -

    Where are the "open minds and rational statements" on your part?

    You said: "Diane Feinstein has stated that she would go for legislation that would have all of us turning in all our guns."

    All of us? All our guns? That's a bald-faced lie.

    Here's a list of guns which Feinstein would exempt from regulation.


    Hunting Guns and Other Recreational Weapons Exempted in the Legislation
    Centerfire Rifles - Autoloaders
    Browning BAR Mark II Safari Semi-Auto Rifle
    Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle
    Iver Johnson M-1 Carbine
    Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M-1 Carbine
    Marlin Model 9 Camp Carbine
    Marlin Model 45 Carbine
    Remington Model 7400 Auto Rifle
    Remington Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto Rifle
    Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle (w/o folding stock)
    Ruger Mini Thirty Rifle

    Centerfire Rifles - Lever & Slide
    Browning Model 81 BLR Lever-Action Rifle
    Browning Model 81 Long Action BLR
    Browning Model 1886 Lever-Action Carbine
    Browning Model 1886 High Grade Carbine
    Cimarron 1860 Henry Replica
    Cimarron 1866 Winchester Replicas
    Cimarron 1873 Short Rifle
    Cimarron 1873 Sporting Rifle
    Cimarron 1873 30 Express Rifle
    Dixie Engraved 1873 Rifle
    E.M.F. 1866 Yellowboy Lever Actions
    E.M.F. 1860 Henry Rifle
    E.M.F. Model 73 Lever-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 336CS Lever-Action Carbine
    Marlin Model 30AS Lever-Action Carbine
    Marlin Model 444SS Lever-Action Sporter
    Marlin Model 1894S Lever-Action Carbine
    Marlin Model 1894CS Carbine
    Marlin Model 1894CL Classic
    Marlin Model 1895SS Lever-Action Rifle
    Mitchell 1858 Henry Replica
    Mitchell 1866 Winchester Replica
    Mitchell 1873 Winchester Replica
    Navy Arms Military Henry Rifle
    Navy Arms Henry Trapper
    Navy Arms Iron Frame Henry
    Navy Arms Henry Carbine
    Navy Arms 1866 Yellowboy Rifle
    Navy Arms 1873 Winchester-Style Rifle
    Navy Arms 1873 Sporting Rifle
    Remington 7600 Slide Action
    Remington Model 7600 Special Purpose Slide Action
    Rossi M92 SRC Saddle-Ring Carbine
    Rossi M92 SRS Short Carbine
    Savage 99C Lever-Action Rifle
    Uberti Henry Rifle
    Uberti 1866 Sporting Rilfe
    Uberti 1873 Sporting Rifle
    Winchester Model 94 Side Eject Lever-Action Rifle
    Winchester Model 94 Trapper Side Eject
    Winchester Model 94 Big Bore Side Eject
    Winchester Model 94 Ranger Side Eject Lever-Action Rifle
    Winchester Model 94 Wrangler Side Eject

    Centerfire Rifles - Bolt Action
    Alpine Bolt-Action Rifle
    A-Square Caesar Bolt-Action Rifle
    A-Square Hannibal Bolt-Action Rifle
    Anschutz 1700D Custom Rifles
    Anschutz 1700D Bavarian Bolt-Action Rifle
    Anschutz 1733D Mannlicher Rifle
    Barret Model 90 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Beeman/HW 60J Bolt-Action Rifle
    Blaser R84 Bolt-Action Rifle
    BRNO 537 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle
    BRNO ZKB 527 Fox Bolt-Action Rifle
    BRNO ZKK 600, 601, 602 Bolt-Action Rifles
    Browning A-Bolt Rifle
    Browning A-Bolt Stainless Stalker
    Browning A-Bolt Left Hand
    Browning A-Bolt Short Action
    Browning Euro-Bolt Rifle
    Browning A-Bolt Gold Medallion
    Browning A-Bolt Micro Medallion
    Century Centurion 14 Sporter
    Century Enfield Sporter #4
    Century Swedish Sporter #38
    Century Mauser 98 Sporter
    Cooper Model 38 Centerfire Sporter
    Dakota 22 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle
    Dakota 76 Classic Bolt-Action Rifle
    Dakota 76 Short Action Rifles
    Dakota 76 Safari Bolt-Action Rifle
    Dakota 416 Rigby African
    E.A.A./Sabatti Rover 870 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Auguste Francotte Bolt-Action Rifles
    Carl Gustaf 2000 Bolt-Action Rilfle
    Heym Magnum Express Series Rifle
    Howa Lightning Bolt-Action Rifle
    Howa Realtree Camo Rifle
    Interarms Mark X Viscount Bolt-Action Rifle
    Interarms Mini-Mark X Rifle
    Interarms Mark X Whitworth Bolt-Action Rifle
    Interarms Whitworth Express Rifle
    Iver Johnson Model 5100A1 Long-Range Rifle
    KDF K15 American Bolt-Action Rifle
    Krico Model 600 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Krico Model 700 Bolt-Action Rifles
    Mauser Model 66 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Mauser Model 99 Bolt-Action Rifle
    McMillan Signature Classic Sporter
    McMillan Signature Super Varminter
    McMillan Signature Alaskan
    McMillan Signature Titanium Mountain Rifle
    McMillan Classic Stainless Sporter
    McMillan Talon Safari Rifle
    McMillan Talon Sporter Rifle
    Midland 1500S Survivor Rifle
    Navy Arms TU-33/40 Carbine
    Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic African Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 1000 Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 1100M African Magnum
    Parker-Hale Model 1100 Lightweight Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 1200 Super Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 1200 Super Clip Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 1300C Scout Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 2100 Midland Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 2700 Lightweight Rifle
    Parker-Hale Model 2800 Midland Rifle
    Remington Model Seven Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington Model Seven Youth Rifle
    Remington Model Seven Custom KS
    Remington Model Seven Custom MS Rifle
    Remington 700 ADL Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington 700 BDL Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington 700 BDL Varmint Special
    Remington 700 BDL European Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington 700 Varmint Synthetic Rifle
    Remington 700 BDL SS Rifle
    Remington 700 Stainless Synthetic Rifle
    Remington 700 MTRSS Rifle
    Remington 700 BDL Left Hand
    Remington 700 Camo Synthetic Rifle
    Remington 700 Safari
    Remington 700 Mountain Rifle
    Remington 700 Custom KS Mountain Rifle
    Remington 700 Classic Rifle
    Ruger M77 Mark II Rifle
    Ruger M77 Mark II Magnum Rifle
    Ruger M77RL Ultra Light
    Ruger M77 Mark II All-Weather Stainless Rifle
    Ruger M77 RSI International Carbine
    Ruger M77 Mark II Express Rifle
    Ruger M77VT Target Rifle
    Sako Hunter Rifle
    Sako Fiberclass Sporter
    Sako Safari Grade Bolt Action
    Sako Hunter Left-Hand Rifle
    Sako Classic Bolt Action
    Sake Hunter LS Rifle
    Sako Deluxe Lightweight
    Sako Super Deluxe Sporter
    Sako Mannlicher-Style Carbine
    Sako Varmint Heavy Barrel
    Sako TRG-S Bolt-Action Rifle
    Sauer 90 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage 110G Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage 110CY Youth/Ladies Rifle
    Savage 110WLE One of One Thousand Limited Edition Rifle
    Savage 110GXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage 110F Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage 110FXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage 110GV Varmint Rifle
    Savage 112FV Varmint Rifle
    Savage Model 112FVS Varmint Rifle
    Savage Model 112BV Heavy Barrel Varmint Rifle
    Savage 116FSS Bolt-Action Rifle
    Savage model 116FSK Kodiak Rifle
    Savage 110FP Police Rifle
    Steyr-Mannlicher Sporter Models SL, L, M, S, S/T
    Steyr-Mannlicher Luxus Model L, M, S
    Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional Rifle
    Tikka Bolt-Action Rifle
    Tikka Premium Grade Rifles
    Tikka Varmint/Continental Rifle
    Tikka Whitetail/Battue Rifle
    Ultra Light Arms Model 20 Rifle
    Ultra Light Arms Model 28, Model 40 Rifles
    Voere VEC 91 Lightning Bolt-Action Rifle
    Voere Model 2155, 2150 Bolt-Action Rifles
    Weatherby Mark V Deluxe Bolt-Action Rifle
    Weatherby Lasermark V Rifle
    Weatherby Mark V Crown Custom Rifles
    Weatherby Mark V Sporter Rifle
    Weatherby Mark V Safari Grade Custom Rifles
    Weatherby Weathermark Rifle
    Weatherby Weathermark Alaskan Rifle
    Weatherby Classicmark No. 1 Rifle
    Weatherby Weatherguard Alaskan Rifle
    Weatherby Vanguard VGX Deluxe Rifle
    Weatherby Vanguard Classic Rifle
    Weatherby Vanguard Classic No. 1 Rifle
    Weatherby Vanguard Weatherguard Rifle
    Wichita Classic Rifle
    Wichita Varmint Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 Sporter
    Winchester Model 70 Sporter WinTuff
    Winchester Model 70 SM Sporter
    Winchester Model 70 Stainless Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 Varmint
    Winchester Model 70 Synthetic Heavy Varmint Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 DBM Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 DBM-S Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 Featherweight
    Winchester Model 70 Featherweight WinTuff
    Winchester Model 70 Featherweight Classic
    Winchester Model 70 Lightweight Rifle
    Winchester Ranger Rifle
    Winchester Model 70 Super Express Magnum
    Winchester Model 70 Super Grade
    Winchester Model 70 Custom Sharpshooter
    Winchester Model 70 Custom Sporting Sharpshooter Rifle

    Centerfire Rifles - Single Shot
    Armsport 1866 Sharps Rifle, Carbine
    Brown Model One Single Shot Rifle
    Browning Model 1885 Single Shot Rifle
    Dakota Single Shot Rifle
    Desert Industries G-90 Single Shot Rifle
    Harrington & Richardson Ultra Varmint Rifle
    Model 1885 High Wall Rifle
    Navy Arms Rolling Block Buffalo Rifle
    Navy Arms #2 Creedmoor Rifle
    Navy Arms Sharps Cavalry Carbine
    Navy Arms Sharps Plains Rifle
    New England Firearms Handi-Rifle
    Red Willow Armory Ballard No. 5 Pacific
    Red Willow Armory Ballard No. 1.5 Hunting Rifle
    Red Willow Armory Ballard No. 8 Union Hill Rifle
    Red Willow Armory Ballard No. 4.5 Target Rifle
    Remington-Style Rolling Block Carbine
    Ruger No. 1B Single Shot
    Ruger No. 1A Light Sporter
    Ruger No. 1H Tropical Rifle
    Ruger No. 1S Medium Sporter
    Ruger No. 1 RSI International
    Ruger No. 1V Special Varminter
    C. Sharps Arms New Model 1874 Old Reliable
    C. Sharps Arms New Model 1875 Rifle
    C. Sharps Arms 1875 Classic Sharps
    C. Sharps Arms New Model 1875 Target & Long Range
    Shiloh Sharps 1874 Long Range Express
    Shiloh Sharps 1874 Montana Roughrider
    Shiloh Sharps 1874 Military Carbine
    Shiloh Sharps 1874 Business Rifle
    Shiloh Sharps 1874 Military Rifle
    Sharps 1874 Old Reliable
    Thompson/Center Contender Carbine
    Thompson/Center Stainless Contender Carbine
    Thompson/Center Contender Carbine Survival System
    Thompson/Center Contender Carbine Youth Model
    Thompson/Center TCR Õ87 Single Shot Rifle
    Uberti Rolling Block Baby Carbine

    Drillings, Combination Guns, Double Rifles
    Baretta Express SSO O/U Double Rifles
    Baretta Model 455 SxS Express Rifle
    Chapuis RGExpress Double Rifle
    Auguste Francotte Sidelock Double Rifles
    Auguste Francotte Boxlock Double Rifle
    Heym Model 55B O/U Double Rifle
    Heym Model 55FW O/U Combo Gun
    Heym Model 88b Side-by-Side Double Rifle
    Kodiak Mk. IV Double Rifle
    Kreighoff Teck O/U Combination Gun
    Kreighoff Trumpf Drilling
    Merkel Over/Under Combination Guns
    Merkel Drillings
    Merkel Model 160 Side-by-Side Double Rifles
    Merkel Over/Under Double Rifles
    Savage 24F O/U Combination Gun
    Savage 24F-12T Turkey Gun
    Springfield Inc. M6 Scout Rifle/Shotgun
    Tikka Model 412s Combination Gun
    Tikka Model 412S Double Fire
    A. Zoli Rifle-Shotgun O/U Combo

    Rimfire Rifles - Autoloaders
    AMT Lightning 25/22 Rifle
    AMT Lightning Small-Game Hunting Rifle II
    AMT Magnum Hunter Auto Rifle
    Anschutz 525 Deluxe Auto
    Armscor Model 20P Auto Rifle
    Browning Auto-22 Rifle
    Browning Auto-22 Grade VI
    Krico Model 260 Auto Rifle
    Lakefield Arms Model 64B Auto Rifle
    Marlin Model 60 Self-Loading Rifle
    Marlin Model 60ss Self-Loading Rifle
    Marlin Model 70 HC Auto
    Marlin Model 990l Self-Loading Rifle
    Marlin Model 70P Papoose
    Marlin Model 922 Magnum Self-Loading Rifle
    Marlin Model 995 Self-Loading Rifle
    Norinco Model 22 ATD Rifle
    Remington Model 522 Viper Autoloading Rifle
    Remington 552BDL Speedmaster Rifle
    Ruger 10/22 Autoloading Carbine (w/o folding stock)
    Survival Arms AR-7 Explorer Rifle
    Texas Remington Revolving Carbine
    Voere Model 2115 Auto Rifle

    Rimfire Rifles - Lever & Slide Action
    Browning BL-22 Lever-Action Rifle
    Marlin 39TDS Carbine
    Marlin Model 39AS Golden Lever-Action Rifle
    Remington 572BDL Fieldmaster Pump Rifle
    Norinco EM-321 Pump Rifle
    Rossi Model 62 SA Pump Rifle
    Rossi Model 62 SAC Carbine
    Winchester Model 9422 Lever-Action Rifle
    Winchester Model 9422 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle

    Rimfire Rifles - Bolt Actions & Single Shots
    Anschutz Achiever Bolt-Action Rifle
    Anschutz 1416D/1516D Classic Rifles
    Anschutz 1418D/1518D Mannlicher rifles
    Anschutz 1700D Classic Rifles
    Anschutz 1700D Custom Rifles
    Anschutz 1700 FWT Bolt-Action Rifle
    Anschutz 1700D Graphite Custom Rifle
    Anschutz 1700D Bavarian Bolt-Action Rifle
    Armscor Model 14P Bolt-Action Rifle
    Armscor Model 1500 Rifle
    BRNO ZKM-452 Deluxe Bolt-Action Rifle
    BRNO ZKM 452 Deluxe
    Beeman/HW 60-J-ST Bolt-Action Rifle
    Browning A-Bolt 22 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Browning A-Bolt Gold Medallion
    Cabanas Phaser Rifle
    Cabanas Master Bolt-Action Rifle
    Cabanas Espronceda IV Bolt-Action Rifle
    Cabanas Leyre Bolt-Action Rifle
    Chipmunk Single Shot Rifle
    Cooper Arms Model 36S Sporter Rifle
    Dakota 22 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle
    Krico Model 300 Bolt-Action Rifles
    Lakefield Arms Mark II Bolt-Action Rifle
    Lakefield Arms Mark I Bolt-Action Rifle
    Magtech Model MT-22C Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 880 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 881 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 882 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 883 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 883SS Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 25MN Bolt-Action Rifle
    Marlin Model 25N Bolt-Action Repeater
    Marlin Model 15YN ÒLittle Buckaroo
    Mauser Model 107 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Mauser Model 201 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Navy Arms TU-KKW Training Rifle
    Navy Arms TU-33/40 Carbine
    Navy Arms TU-KKW Sniper Trainer
    Norinco JW-27 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Norinco JW-15 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington 541-T
    Remington 40-XR Rimfire Custom sporter
    Remington 541-T HB Bolt-Action Rifle
    Remington 581-S Sportsman Rifle
    Ruger 77/22 Rimfire Bolt-Action Rifle
    Ruger K77/22 Varmint Rifle
    Ultra Light arms Model 20 RF Bolt-Action Rifle
    Winchester Model 52B Sporting Rifle

    Competition Rifles - Centerfire & Rimfire
    Anschutz 64-MS Left Silhouette
    Anschutz 1808D RT Super Match 54 Target
    Anschutz 1827B Biathlon Rifle
    Anschutz 1903D Match Rifle
    Anschutz 1803D Itermediate Match
    Anschutz 1911 Match Rifle
    Anschutz 54.18MS REP Deluxe Silhouette Rifle
    Anschutz 1913 Super Match Rifle
    Anschutz 1907 Match Rifle
    Anschutz 1910 Super Match II
    Anschutz 54.18MS Silhouette Rifle
    Anschutz Super Match 54 Target Model 2013
    Anschutz Super Match 54 Target Model 2007
    Beeman/Feinwerkbau 2600 Target Rifle
    Cooper Arms Model TRP-1 ISU Standard Rifle
    E.A.A./Weihrauch HW 60 Target Rifle
    E.A.A./HW 660 Match Rifle
    Finnish Lion Standard Target Rifle
    Krico Model 360 S2 Biathlon Rifle
    Krico Model 400 Match Rifle
    Krico Model 360S Biathlon Rifle
    Krico Model 500 Kricotronic Match Rifle
    Krico Model 600 Sniper Rifle
    Krico Model 600 Match Rifle
    Lakefield Arms Model 90B Target Rifle
    Lakefield Arms Model 91T Target Rifle
    Lakefield Arms Model 92S Silhouette Rifle
    Marlin Model 2000 Target Rifle
    Mauser Model 86-SR Specialty Rifle
    McMillan M-86 Sniper Rifle
    McMillan Combo M-87/M-88 50-Caliber Rifle
    McMillan 300 Phoenix Long Range Rifle
    McMillan M-89 Sniper Rifle
    McMillan National Match Rifle
    McMillan Long Range Rifle
    Parker-Hale M-87 Target Rifle
    Parker-Hale M-85 Sniper Rifle
    Remington 40-XB Rangemaster Target Centerfire
    Remington 40-XR KS Rimfire Position Rifle
    Remington 40-XBBR KS
    Remington 40-XC KS National Match Course Rifle
    Sako TRG-21 Bolt-Action Rifle
    Steyr-Mannlicher Match SPG-UIT Rifle
    Steyr-Mannlicher SSg P-I Rifle
    Steyr Mannlicher SSG P-III Rifle
    Steyr-Mannlicher SSG P-IV Rifle
    Tanner Standard UIT Rifle
    Tanner 50 Meter Free Rifle
    Tanner 300 Meter Free Rifle
    Wichita Silhouette Rifle

    Shotguns - Autoloaders
    American Arms/Franchi Black Magic 48/AL
    Benelli Super Black Eagle Shotgun
    Benelli Super Black Eagle Slug Gun
    Benelli M1 Super 90 Field Auto Shotgun Benelli Montefeltro Super 90 20-Gauge Shotgun
    Benelli Montefeltro Super 90 Shotgun
    Benelli M1 Sporting Special Auto Shotgun
    Benelli Black Eagle Competition Auto Shotgun
    Beretta A-303 Auto Shotgun
    Beretta 390 Field Auto Shotgun
    Beretta 390 Super Trap, Super Skeet Shotguns
    Beretta Vittoria Auto Shotgun
    Beretta Model 1201F Auto Shotgun
    Browning BSA 10 Auto Shotgun
    Browning Bsa 10 Stalker Auto Shotgun
    Browning A-500R Auto Shotgun
    Browning A-500G Auto Shotgun
    Browning A-500G Sporting Clays
    Browning Auto-5 Light 12 and 20
    Browning Auto-5 Stalker
    Browning Auto-5 Magnum 20
    Browning Auto-5 Magnum 12
    Churchill Turkey Automatic Shotgun
    Cosmi Automatic Shotgun
    Maverick Model 60 Auto Shotgun
    Mossberg Model 9200 Regal Semi-Auto Shotgun
    Mossberg Model 9200 USST Auto Shotgun
    Mossberg Model 9200 Camo Shotgun
    Mossberg Model 6000 Auto Shotgun
    Remington 11-87 Premier shotgun
    Remington 11-87 Sporting Clays
    Remington 11-87 Premier Skeet
    Remington 11-87 Premier Trap
    Remington 11-87 Special Purpose Magnum
    Remington 11-87 SPS-T Camo Auto Shotgun
    Remington 11-87 Special Purpose Deer Gun
    Remington 11-87 SPS-BG-Camo Deer/Turkey Shotgun
    Remington 11-87 SPS-Deer Shotgun
    Remington 11-87 Special Purpose Synthetic Camo
    Remington SP-10 Magnum-Camo Auto Shotgun
    Remington SP-10 Magnum Auto Shotgun
    Remington SP-10 Magnum Turkey Combo
    Remington 1100 LT-20 Auto
    Remington 1100 Special Field
    Remington 1100 20-Gauge Deer Gun
    Remington 1100 LT-20 Tournament Skeet
    Winchester Model 1400 Semi-Auto Shotgun

    Shotguns - Slide Actions
    Browning Model 42 Pump Shotgun
    Browning BPS Pump Shotgun
    Browning BPS Stalker Pump Shotgun
    Browning BPS Pigeon Grade Pump Shotgun
    Browning BPS pump Shotgun (Ladies and Youth Model)
    Browning BPS Game Gun Turkey Special
    Browning BPS Game Gun Deer Special
    Ithaca Model 87 Supreme Pump Shotgun
    Ithaca Model 87 Deerslayer Shotgun
    Ithaca Deerslayer II Rifled Shotgun
    Ithaca Model 87 Turkey Gun
    Ithaca Model 87 Deluxe Pump Shotgun
    Magtech Model 586-VR Pump Shotgun
    Maverick Models 88, 91 Pump Shotguns
    Mossberg Model 500 Sporting Pump
    Mossberg Model 500 Camo Pump
    Mossberg Model 500 Muzzleloader Combo
    Mossberg Model 500 Trophy Slugster
    Mossberg Turkey Model 500 Pump
    Mossberg Model 500 Bantam Pump
    Mossberg Field Grade Model 835 Pump Shotgun
    Mossberg Model 835 Regal Ulti-Mag Pump
    Remington 870 Wingmaster
    Remington 870 Special Purpose Deer Gun
    Remington 870 SPS-BG-Camo Deer/Turkey Shotgun
    Remington 870 SPS-Deer Shotgun
    Remington 870 Marine Magnum
    Remington 870 TC Trap
    Remington 870 Special Purpose Synthetic Camo
    Remington 870 Wingmaster Small Gauges
    Remington 870 Express Rifle Sighted Deer Gun
    Remington 879 SPS Special Purpose Magnum
    Remington 870 SPS-T Camo Pump Shotgun
    Remington 870 Special Field
    Remington 870 Express Turkey
    Remington 870 High Grades
    Remington 870 Express
    Remington Model 870 Express Youth Gun
    Winchester Model 12 Pump Shotgun
    Winchester Model 42 High Grade Shotgun
    Winchester Model 1300 Walnut Pump
    Winchester Model 1300 Slug Hunter Deer Gun
    Winchester Model 1300 Ranger Pump Gun Combo & Deer Gun
    Winchester Model 1300 Turkey Gun
    Winchester Model 1300 Ranger Pump Gun

    Shotguns - Over/Unders
    American Arms/Franchi Falconet 2000 O/U
    American Arms Silver I O/U
    American Arms Silver II Shotgun
    American Arms Silver Skeet O/U
    American Arms/Franchi Sporting 2000 O/U
    American Arms Silver Sporting O/U
    American Arms Silver Trap O/U
    American Arms WS/OU 12, TS/OU 12 Shotguns
    American Arms WT/OU 10 Shotgun
    Armsport 2700 O/U Goose Gun
    Armsport 2700 Series O/U
    Armsport 2900 Tri-Barrel Shotgun
    Baby Bretton Over/Under Shotgun
    Beretta Model 686 Ultralight O/U
    Beretta ASE 90 Competition O/U Shotgun
    Beretta Over/Under Field Shotguns
    Beretta Onyx Hunter Sport O/U Shotgun
    Beretta Model SO5, SO6, SO9 Shotguns
    Beretta Sporting Clay Shotguns
    Beretta 687EL Sporting O/U
    Beretta 682 Super Sporting O/U
    Beretta Series 682 Competition Over/Unders
    Browning Citori O/U Shotgun
    Browning Superlight Citori Over/Under
    Browning Lightning Sporting Clays
    Browning Micro Citori Lightning
    Browning Citori Plus Trap Combo
    Browning Citori Plus Trap Gun
    Browning Citori O/U Skeet Models
    Browning Citori O/U Trap Models
    Browning Special Sporting Clays
    Browning Citori GTI Sporting Clays
    Browning 325 Sporting Clays
    Centurion Over/Under Shotgun
    Chapuis Over/Under Shotgun
    Connecticut Valley Classics Classic Sporter O/U
    Connecticut Valley Classics Classic Field Waterfowler
    Charles Daly Field Grade O/U
    Charles Daly Lux Over/Under
    E.A.A./Sabatti Sporting Clays Pro-Gold O/U
    E.A.A/Sabatti Falcon-Mon Over/Under
    Kassnar Grade I O/U Shotgun
    Krieghoff K-80 Sporting Clays O/U
    Krieghoff K-80 Skeet Shotgun
    Krieghoff K-80 International Skeet
    Krieghoff K-80 Four-Barrel Skeet Set
    Krieghoff K-80/RT Shotguns
    Krieghoff K-80 O/U Trap Shotgun
    Laurona Silhouette 300 Sporting Clays
    Laurona Silhouette 300 Trap
    Laurona Super Model Over/Under
    Ljutic LM-6 Deluxe O/U Shotgun
    Marocchi Conquista Over/Under Shotgun
    Marocchi Avanza O/U Shotgun
    Merkel Model 200E O/U Shotgun
    Merkel Model 200E Skeet, Trap Over/Unders
    Merkel Model 203E, 303E Over/Under Shotguns
    Perazzi Mirage Special Sporting O/U
    Perazzi Mirage Special Four-Gauge Skeet
    Perazzi Sporting Classic O/U
    Perazzi MX7 Over/Under Shotguns
    Perazzi Mirage Special Skeet Over/Under
    Perazzi MX8/MX8 Special Trap, Skeet
    Perazzi MX8/20 Over/Under Shotgun
    Perazzi MX9 Single Over/Under Shotguns
    Perazzi MX12 Hunting Over/Under
    Perazzi MX28, MX410 Game O/U Shotguns
    Perazzi MX20 Hunting Over/Under
    Piotti Boss Over/Under Shotgun
    Remington Peerless Over/Under Shotgun
    Ruger Red Label O/U Shotgun
    Ruger Sporting Clays O/U Shotgun
    San Marco 12-Ga. Wildflower Shotgun
    San Marco Field Special O/U Shotgun
    San Marco 10-Ga. O/U Shotgun
    SKB Model 505 Deluxe Over/Under Shotgun
    SKB Model 685 Over/Under Shotgun
    SKB Model 885 Over/Under Trap, Skeet, Sporting Clays
    Stoeger/IGA Condor I O/U Shotgun
    Stoeger/IGA ERA 2000 Over/Under Shotgun
    Techni-Mec Model 610 Over/Under
    Tikka Model 412S Field Grade Over/Under
    Weatherby Athena Grade IV O/U Shotguns
    Weatherby Athena Grade V Classic Field O/U
    Weatherby Orion O/U Shotguns
    Weatherby II, III Classic Field O/Us
    Weatherby Orion II Classic Sporting Clays O/U
    Weatherby Orion II Sporting Clays O/U
    Winchester Model 1001 O/U Shotgun
    Winchester Model 1001 Sporting Clays O/U
    Pietro Zanoletti Model 2000 Field O/U

    Shotguns - Side by Sides
    American Arms Brittany Shotgun
    American Arms Gentry Double Shotgun
    American Arms Derby Side-by-Side
    American Arms Grulla #2 Double Shotgun
    American Arms WS/SS 10
    American Arms TS/SS 10 Double Shotgun
    American Arms TS/SS 12 Side-by-Side
    Arrieta Sidelock Double Shotguns
    Armsport 1050 Series Double Shotguns
    Arizaga Model 31 Double Shotgun
    AYA Boxlock Shotguns
    AYA Sidelock Double Shotguns
    Beretta Model 452 Sidelock Shotgun
    Beretta Side-by-Side Field Shotguns
    Crucelegui Hermanos Model 150 Double
    Chapuis Side-by-Side Shotgun
    E.A.A./Sabatti Saba-Mon Double Shotgun
    Charles Daly Model Dss Double
    Ferlib Model F VII Double Shotgun
    Auguste Francotte Boxlock Shotgun
    Auguste Francotte Sidelock Shotgun
    Garbi Model 100 Double
    Garbi Model 101 Side-by-Side
    Garbi Model 103A, B Side-by-Side
    Garbi Model 200 Side-by-Side
    Bill Hanus Birdgun Doubles
    Hatfield Uplander Shotgun
    Merkell Model 8, 47E Side-by-Side Shotguns
    Merkel Model 47LSC Sporting Clays Double
    Merkel Model 47S, 147S Side-by-Sides
    Parker Reproductions Side-by-Side
    Piotti King No. 1 Side-by-Side
    Piotti Lunik Side-by-Side
    Piotti King Extra Side-by-Side
    Piotti Piuma Side-by-Side
    Precision Sports Model 600 Series Doubles
    Rizzini Boxlock Side-by-Side
    Rizzini Sidelock Side-by-Side
    Stoeger/IGA Uplander Side-by-Side Shotgun
    Ugartechea 10-Ga. Magnum Shotgun

    Shotguns - Bolt Actions & Single Shots
    Armsport Single Barrel Shotgun
    Browning BT-99 Competition Trap Special
    Browning BT-99 Plus Trap Gun
    Browning BT-99 Plus Micro
    Browning Recoilless Trap Shotgun
    Browning Micro Recoilless Trap Shotgun
    Desert Industries Big Twenty Shotgun
    Harrington & Richardson Topper Model 098
    Harrington & Richardson Topper Classic Youth Shotgun
    Harrington & Richardson N.W.T.F. Turkey Mag
    Harrington & Richardson Topper Deluxe Model 098
    Krieghoff KS-5 Trap Gun
    Krieghoff KS-5 Special
    Krieghoff K-80 Single Barrel Trap Gun
    Ljutic Mono Gun Single Barrel
    Ljutic LTX Super Deluxe Mono Gun
    Ljutic Recoilless Space Gun Shotgun
    Marlin Model 55 Goose Gun Bolt Action
    New England Firearms Turkey and Goose Gun
    New England Firearms N.W.T.F. Shotgun
    New England Firearms Tracker Slug Gun
    New England Firearms Standard Pardner
    New England Firearms Survival Gun
    Perazzi TM1 Special Single Trap
    Remington 90-T Super Single Shotgun
    Snake Charmer II Shotgun
    Stoeger/IGA Reuna Single Barrel Shotgun
    Thompson/Center TCR 87 Hunter Shotgun

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  20. Dove Commander

    Dove Commander TS Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    This is clearly a law designed to target gun owners. Many of us are not only trapshooters, but deer, fur, and bird hunters. Enforce the laws we have, then we will talk...maybe. jnoemanh, I have a hard time understanding where you are coming from. What's your yardage, average on 16's, what gun do you shoot on doubles? Prove you have a clue.
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