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Why do some hate Communists?

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  1. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    Communists are people too. Why do some people hate socialist communists?

    1. There are no consequences to what they do. They do not believe in all that is seen and unseen. As a result Communists can lie, cheat, steal etc. without fear of punishment unless caught if even then.

    2. There is no honor among Communists because of number one. They do not trust each other and live in constant paranoia, ie fear of being ousted.

    3. No respect for the truth, everything is lies and manipulation of the masses by the elite ruling class who believe they are the masters of the universe.

    4. Man dominates over man, there are no God given rights because they do not believe in a God.

    5. Communists kill what they fear, as they have no conscience with regard for basic human rights and living thing's right to life.

    6. Communists can not be convinced that they are wrong and they are not diverse although they would have you believe that because of number one.

    7. Communists believe everything is limited and there is nothing that you have that you did not take from someone else or keep them from having. A key to Communist manipulation is jealousy which they use to exploit.

    Please add on if I left anything out.
     
  2. EEB

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    I don't hate communists, just communism.
     
  3. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    Please re read 1-7. One can not separate one from the other unfortunately.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    My wife's grandparents were middle class and owned a large farm in the Ukraine.

    They went on a trip to visit relatives in Canada. When they returned, they were intercepted by friends who, at high risk to themselves, told them that the communists had seized their land and that the Red Guards had death warrants for them.

    They returned to the docks, booked passage back to America, and immigrated with what money they had left from the trip and a steamer trunk with clothes. We're not sure of the exact date, but this was during or prior to 1924 because they went through Ellis Island, and it closed in that year. They ultimately went to Canada before settling in America.

    That steamer trunk now resides in our living room as a coffee table.

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    I remember my grade school librarian. She escaped with her family from the communists during 1956 Hungarian uprising. It was clear that the communists would not tolerate any dissent in any form. The dissent came about because of the insufferable conditions imposed by the ruling communist party, which 'purged' (murdered) 7000 Hungarians and forcibly relocated 26,000 in Budapest alone. The uprising did not overthrow communism. In fact, the new government was Marxist. But that did not satisfy the Soviets, who invaded and installed a hard line communist government that was not friendly to the west. Over 200,000 people became refugees.

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    Prague Spring was the Czech attempt in 1968 to install a more liberalized form of communism. Make no mistake, the country was still Marxist, but now citizens had certain enumerated rights. This did not satisfy the Soviet hardliners, who brutally put down the change. A friend of mine eventually came to America after fleeing the Soviets.

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    My children's daycare was run by a couple who fled Romania. They were school teachers, and thus were government workers. Romania started a purge of religion from government workers. One day they were presented with papers renouncing Christianity and were told to sign. They refused. This cost them their jobs. Shortly afterwards their grandparents farm was raided and an unregistered shotgun was found. They managed to get out of Romania with help from family in Switzerland. Eventually they came to the US. But their teaching credentials were no good here, and it would have taken several years to go through schooling again. So they decided to open a day care and run it like a little schoolhouse. We were fortunate to have our children attend, because they learned and had a leg up on other kids when they went to kindergarten.

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    My dad fought communists in Korea and saw first hand how brutal they were. Especially when he saw GIs with their hands wired behind their backs and shot in the back of the head. Plus coming across mass killings of civilians, especially when the communists retook Seoul after routing us on the drive to the Yalu. The chicoms were somewhat better for treatment of POWs because they realized the importance of world opinion in the press, but the North Koreans were absolutely vicious and brutal. Eventually the chicoms took over many of the POW camps because of how the North Koreans had been torturing and murdering prisoners. The Chinese were bad enough, so it really shows how horrible conditions were under the North Koreans.

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    Life is cheap to communists. You exist to serve the state. If you serve no useful purpose, you may wind up eliminated. Much as an unproductive farm animal is. You have no rights. That concept does not exist. There is no individualism. Independent thought is suspect. It is a hive mentality. Worker bees in a worker's paradise. Their goals are simple. Win. At any cost. No matter how long it takes. This is why we fought to a stalemate in Korea. This is why we lost Vietnam. We only won the Cold War because we broke the Soviet economic system (and effectively broke ours too with massive deficits, but we broke theirs first).

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    There used to be a communist party in America. Still is, but it's pretty ineffective. Only a few hard liners belong. In reality, it's been made redundant because the socialist element of the Democratic Party has pretty much embraced communist ideals and made them party platforms. There's no need for a communist party when they've effectively subjugated one of the two major parties in the US.

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    As for myself, I am absolutely, totally against communism. The murders under Stalin and Mao alone make Hitler look like an amateur. Yet people (rightfully) hate the Nazis but inexplicably ignore and give a pass to the communists. Some even wear t-shirts with the image of Castro's assassin and enforcer, Che Guevara, like he's some sort of folk hero. I find his image on t-shirts to be as offensive as someone wearing a t-shirt with Hitler's image on it.

    I am a hardliner against communism, as well as socialism, and the liberalism and RINOism that tolerates it. I am a firm believer in our Founding Fathers and their championing of individual liberty and freedom.
     
  5. Catpower

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    Those were some good stories/ narrations BIO

    I do disagree though about the stalemate in Korea and Viet Nam, the reason we didn't just whip the $hit out of them was public sentiment and Pols caving into it

    You don't just kid of go to war you go to war to win

    I was on a B 52 crew during Linebacker II and some top N Vietnamese said we had them whipped and they were ready to give and then out of the blue we just stopped

    It makes on sense but the older I get the less stuff does make sense
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Well, the issue with Korea was not so much public sentiment as it was thinking that the Korean conflict was a diversionary tactic designed to sap our military strength in Europe so the Soviets could steamroller into to the West.

    Our mistake was assuming the Soviets were in a position of strength to do this. They were not. It only appeared that way thanks to Soviet propaganda tricks designed to inflate their strength.

    I do not believe MacArthur was right when he wanted to invade China. But I do believe he was right for wanting more troops and material committed to Korea. We could have routed the Chinese with enough firepower before they dug in. Once dug in and reinforced, they essentially stalemated us.

    I probably would have been a bad president, because I would have used tactical nukes on the Chinese "volunteers" the moment they started routing our troops and dared the Soviets to do something about it. Eisenhower threatened to use tactical nukes to break the negotiation impasse with the Chicoms, and it worked.* They immediately were willing to discuss peace after dragging the war on for two and a half useless years of doubletalk.

    *(Footnote - We also bombed dams in North Korea in 1953 that blacked out a lot of Manchuria, and washed away massive amounts of rice crops in the resulting floods that threatened mass starvation, so that brought pressure too.)
     
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    I agree Korea was different than Nam, but we had NVN's A$$ whipped and we just quit, stupid
     
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    Because WE know the difference between Right and Wrong!! Good and Evil!! Freedom and Slavery!!

    enough??
     
  9. rpeerless

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    Thank you so very much. I think sometimes everyone needs a reminder of why we fight with all the talk of civilized society and diversity. The younger generations must understand that 'freedom is not free' and what is meant by that phrase.

    Freedom is fragile when dealing with those who would destroy it as you have illustrated.

    Fight the good fight and keep the Faith...words to me from a Korean war veteran many years ago.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/6peo16naLok" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    For starters, every school kid should be shown this movie.

    Have YOUR kids or grandkids seen it?
     
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    <iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Vifcly_RlLs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

    Here's the 1999 version.
     
  12. R.Kipling

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    Cat,

    I remember both Linebacker operations, and I recognize how close we were to terminating Northern aggression, but I'm convinced that it would only have been a stand-down lasting as long as it took to rebuild and re-arm. China was backing the North, as well as the Russians. I distinctly remember one of our best indicators of pending rocket, mortar or ground assaults along the coast was seeing too many of the foreign ships leave the harbor's at the end of the day.

    I took the opportunity to revisit Vietnam (I Corps) in 1999 on a vets tour. We started far south in old Saigon, which is now Ho Chi Minh City, and while there viewed a war memorial to their Patriots. One of the striking things there was a long wall pictorial war-plan that exceeded 50 years, and invoked several earlier equally long struggles against the French and some neighboring countries over the last 2 centuries.

    The US just doesn't have the fortitude for such long wars. Nor, the resolve born from centuries of occupation. However, I do believe that some of us will begin the experience in 2016 when Hillary takes the throne.

    Kip
     
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    "However, I do believe that some of us will begin the experience in 2016 when Hillary takes the throne."


    I do hope that America can aspire to a greater goal and achieve it.
     
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    "There used to be a communist party in America. Still is, but it's pretty ineffective. Only a few hard liners belong. In reality, it's been made redundant because the socialist element of the Democratic Party has pretty much embraced communist ideals and made them party platforms. There's no need for a communist party when they've effectively subjugated one of the two major parties in the US."

    That is the sad truth in this country which a large segment of the population seems to either not understand or just doesn't care as long as they are getting their handouts from the Democrats.
     
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    Hillary??? I think eldumbo will declare martial law and pronounce himself pharaoh.
     
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    Kip, you are probably right, they were some tough little shits, but I just remember one of their ranking generals saying that they were beat all we would have had to do was just keep it up a little longer and they would have given

    But he probably wasn't the one barking orders
     
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    Communism,,,,,,,,,,,,,If you look at the system it represents it's almost the same as Christianity,,,,except,,,,,,,,NO GOD,,,,,,,That's how I define it,Christianity without GOD. The basis of both is to share everything with each other for the common good.But,without GOD,Communism falls into the trap of human greed.Those that get into power soon find out that through manipulation of the system they can rule the people anyway they want.Take GOD out of Chritianity,and voila,very soon,you's have the same results.Human greed will take over.



    Doug H.(pa)
     
  18. rpeerless

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    Wrong dhip, Christianity states that people, because they believe in God, willingly share some of what they have to help others in need on the premise that people are good and give freely. What is given or donated freely in the church is redistributed by the church as the church, run by volunteers, sees fit.


    Communism on the other hand, because they do not believe in God, state that people are greedy and selfish, ie bad, and need the state to take everything from them so the state can redistribute your wealth because you won't give on your own to help the needy. The state then decides who receives what and is often corrupt because the ruling elite who get to keep more based on their selfish needs are often corrupt.

    Totally not the same at all.

    The U.S. Constitution is based on the premise that people are basically good.

    Also, there were studies of early man that validate that man was a social animal and lived in groups. The catch of the day was shared with those who were too old or injured to hunt on their own. Hence the premise that people are basically good.

    Gun control, gun confiscation based on premise that people are basically bad and can not be trusted. You can figure it out from there.
     
  19. Big Al 29

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    Socialism is communism by choice.
    Communism is Socialism by gunpoint.

    We are pretty much a socialist state working toward communism.

    scary!!
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    Communism decrees that everyone is a subject of the state.

    Christianity says that the Kingdom is not of this world.

    Communism decrees that all property belongs to the state.

    Christianity says render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's and render unto God the things that are God's.

    Communism decrees that the common good is decided solely by the state, and that the state will forcibly redistribute assets for the common good.

    Christianity asks people to give according to their own conscience, good will and ability to help others in need.

    Communism does not allow free will.

    Christianity is based upon free will.
     
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