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Why do Estates smell so bad after firing?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by laura!, Jul 2, 2008.

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  1. laura!

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    I think it's the powder - sure produces way more smoke than my handloads.
     
  2. GoldEx

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    I agree it's the powder. Hard to believe they come from Federal. Nothing compares to the smell of new Federal papers fired on a crisp fall morning. If a guy could figure out how to bottle that smell, he'd be rich!

    Jeff
     
  3. Big Al 29

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    powder is the cause.

    But... its all for naught. I heard Federal is discontinuing the Estate Line of economy shells.
     
  4. Hitapair

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    Nothing I've shot smells worse than Noble papers. Estates are like Fed papers when compared to the nobles.
     
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    Bat feces.......
     
  6. laura!

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    I think it's the powder - sure produces way more smoke than my handloads.
     
  7. GoldEx

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    I agree it's the powder. Hard to believe they come from Federal. Nothing compares to the smell of new Federal papers fired on a crisp fall morning. If a guy could figure out how to bottle that smell, he'd be rich!

    Jeff
     
  8. Big Al 29

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    powder is the cause.

    But... its all for naught. I heard Federal is discontinuing the Estate Line of economy shells.
     
  9. Hitapair

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    Nothing I've shot smells worse than Noble papers. Estates are like Fed papers when compared to the nobles.
     
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  11. Prescott Gene

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    The old timers will tell you that the Winchester papers(Super Targets?) were the worst smelling shells ever shot!!!

    Gene
     
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    I had some really old shells I loaded a long time ago with IMR 7625 and shot a month or so ago. Boy did they stink bad......worse than Estates.
     
  13. starshot2b

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    I've always complained how about bad Estates smell and how dirty they made my guns. I think they use whatever is left over to make those shells. My Browning loves them though and I've shot some pretty good scores with them, but they do stink - badly.
     
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    Rog3r that on the smell of the paper Super Target, but I think the Estates are worse; but here's a question. Nearly every place I shoot carries Estates, and many clubs don't have anything else. When they discontinue Estates, what will we be able to get?
     
  15. Bruce Em

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    sorry guys, it's more likely the base burning. They can use oil soaked or similar insulating papers in the process (for fire proofing). I bet you they even used asbestos, PCB, and Fyrquell oils for insulation. Want to prove it? empty an estate into a Fed gold medal hull (all plastic) and I bet it wont stink.

    Similar case; Remington SP hulls (asbestos like composite) with red dot stink awful; you cant call that a powder issue.

    regards
     
  16. gotbass

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    I thought it was Piddy's breath blowing back in his face.
     
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    its the base wad

    bill
     
  18. blizzard

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    As much as I hate to say it, I have to agree with pittance on this one. They REEK!!!!!!! To me, it smells like a mixture of burning cardboard and sulfur.



    My 682 does not like them at all. It won't matter to me whether they continue to make them or not.


    I also challenge the "economy" statement made above. I don't consider them economy when there are cheaper shells available that are of better quality.
     
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    What's a "Trool"?

    Curt
     
  20. Old Texas Marine

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    Guys,

    I have been shooting about 18 flats of 1 oz. Estates that I bought when they were around $50 a flat. I reload them with 17.7 gr of Promo. IMHO it is the original powder that gives Estates their distinctive odor. The reloads smell like Promo when they are fired. The fired reloaded hulls no longer have the objectionable odor, so I don't believe it is the base wad that is contributing to the smell. BTW, I reload them twice and then toss them. They do reload nicely on my PW 800 Plus.

    I fired some cheapie ($37.50 a flat) WW 1 oz. last Monday that are rated at 1350 fps that I had bought from from Wally World . They too, have an unpleasant odor and I do not reload them.

    Be safe,

    HBT
     
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