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WHY CANT THEY THINK!(progressives,liberals and Dem

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by gun fitter, Oct 27, 2011.

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  1. gun fitter

    gun fitter TS Member

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    I'm not saying that I'm a genius but I seem to understand what's going on in our country. Why can't the Leftists see the real problems and come up with anything resembling a practical solution.

    I recently read that some neurologist recently found that brain scans of many liberals showed the same loss of activity in certain sections of the brain as sociopaths and the retarded.
    Joe
     
  2. wireguy

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    They are victims (are you surprised?) of a mental blindness that is spiritually derived.
     
  3. Hank55

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    That's great!!! I love it. This should bring on some responses from the leftist nutbags!
     
  4. Rocketdog

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    Dead meat, needs to be removed.
     
  5. John Galt

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    Paging leftist nutbag Mrs. Keet.
     
  6. timberfaller

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    Their Camelot Utopia would be exposed for the falsehood that it is, and they would go out and commit suicide because reality would set in. That's why they "refuse" to think!
     
  7. kirbythegunsmith

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    I found this article just this evening by coincidence. (Notice the print date of 11/10/08. Plenty written there has shown to be true since then.) The details may prove entertaining as well as enlightening. This may also explain why some readers fail to comprehend other areas beyond politics.

    The situation has been posited that about 2% of the population can formulate an argument based upon logic and independent thought and not need to resort to name-calling or emotional/irrational output.

    Those that are ignorant and thick-headed don't want to discover or admit that they are thick, don't want to inform away the ignorance, and can't do anything for the genetic dumbness inborn and untrained early in life. If you don't get your brain moving when you are young, by the time you are 12 or so, that rate of learning capability is fixed as the fastest you will ever be able to process information. That is why so many that put off learning now have the brain stuck in low gear, but at the same time some can think that from the gears whining in their head that they are really putting out "jenius" effort.

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    America the Illiterate

    The core values of our open society, the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense indicate something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to understand historical facts, to separate truth from lies, to advocate for change, and to acknowledge that there are other views, different ways of being, that are morally and socially acceptable, are dying. Obama used hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds to appeal to and manipulate this illiteracy and irrationalism to his advantage, but these forces will prove to be his most deadly nemesis once they collide with the awful reality that awaits us. - Chris Hedges

    Published on Monday, November 10, 2008 by TruthDig.com

    by Chris Hedges

    We live in two Americas. One America, now the minority, functions in a print-based, literate world. It can cope with complexity and has the intellectual tools to separate illusion from truth. The other America, which constitutes the majority, exists in a non-reality-based belief system. This America, dependent on skillfully manipulated images for information, has severed itself from the literate, print-based culture. It cannot differentiate between lies and truth. It is informed by simplistic, childish narratives and clichés. It is thrown into confusion by ambiguity, nuance, and self-reflection. This divide, more than race, class or gender, more than rural or urban, believer or nonbeliever, red state or blue state, has split the country into radically distinct, unbridgeable, and antagonistic entities.


    There are over 42 million American adults, 20 percent of whom hold high school diplomas, who cannot read, as well as the 50 million who read at a fourth- or fifth-grade level. Nearly a third of the nation's population is illiterate or barely literate. And their numbers are growing by an estimated 2 million a year. But even those who are supposedly literate retreat in huge numbers into this image-based existence. A third of high school graduates, along with 42 percent of college graduates, never read a book after they finish school. Eighty percent of the families in the United States last year did not buy a book.


    The illiterate rarely vote, and when they do vote they do so without the ability to make decisions based on textual information. American political campaigns, which have learned to speak in the comforting epistemology of images, eschew real ideas and policy for cheap slogans and reassuring personal narratives. Political propaganda now masquerades as ideology. Political campaigns have become an experience. They do not require cognitive or self-critical skills. They are designed to ignite pseudo-religious feelings of euphoria, empowerment and collective salvation. Campaigns that succeed are carefully constructed psychological instruments that manipulate fickle public moods, emotions and impulses, many of which are subliminal.

    They create a public ecstasy that annuls individuality and fosters a state of mindlessness. They thrust us into an eternal present. They cater to a nation that now lives in a state of permanent amnesia. It is style and story, not content or history or reality, which inform our politics and our lives. We prefer happy illusions. And it works because so much of the American electorate, including those who should know better, blindly cast ballots for slogans, smiles, the cheerful family tableaux, narratives, and the perceived sincerity and the attractiveness of candidates. We confuse how we feel with knowledge.


    The illiterate and semi-literate, once the campaigns are over, remain powerless. They still cannot protect their children from dysfunctional public schools. They still cannot understand predatory loan deals, the intricacies of mortgage papers, credit card agreements, and equity lines of credit that drive them into foreclosures and bankruptcies. They still struggle with the most basic chores of daily life from reading instructions on medicine bottles to filling out bank forms, car loan documents, and unemployment benefit and insurance papers.


    They watch helplessly and without comprehension as hundreds of thousands of jobs are shed. They are hostages to brands. Brands come with images and slogans. Images and slogans are all they understand. Many eat at fast food restaurants not only because it is cheap but because they can order from pictures rather than menus. And those who serve them, also semi-literate or illiterate, punch in orders on cash registers whose keys are marked with symbols and pictures. This is our brave new world.


    Political leaders in our post-literate society no longer need to be competent, sincere or honest. They only need to appear to have these qualities. Most of all they need a story, a narrative. The reality of the narrative is irrelevant. It can be completely at odds with the facts. The consistency and emotional appeal of the story are paramount. The most essential skill in political theater and the consumer culture is artifice. Those who are best at artifice succeed. Those who have not mastered the art of artifice fail. In an age of images and entertainment, in an age of instant emotional gratification, we do not seek or want honesty.


    We ask to be indulged and entertained by clichés, stereotypes, and mythic narratives that tell us we can be whomever we want to be, that we live in the greatest country on Earth, that we are endowed with superior moral and physical qualities and that our glorious future is preordained, either because of our attributes as Americans or because we are blessed by God or both.


    The ability to magnify these simple and childish lies, to repeat them and have surrogates repeat them in endless loops of news cycles, gives these lies the aura of an uncontested truth. We are repeatedly fed words or phrases like yes we can, maverick, change, pro-life, hope, or war on terror. It feels good not to think. All we have to do is visualize what we want, believe in ourselves and summon those hidden inner resources, whether divine or national, that make the world conform to our desires. Reality is never an impediment to our advancement.


    The Princeton Review analyzed the transcripts of the Gore-Bush debates, the Clinton-Bush-Perot debates of 1992, the Kennedy-Nixon debates of 1960 and the Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858. It reviewed these transcripts using a standard vocabulary test that indicates the minimum educational standard needed for a reader to grasp the text. During the 2000 debates George W. Bush spoke at a sixth-grade level (6.7) and Al Gore at a seventh-grade level (7.6). In the 1992 debates Bill Clinton spoke at a seventh-grade level (7.6), while George H.W. Bush spoke at a sixth-grade level (6.8), as did H. Ross Perot (6.3). In the debates between John F. Kennedy and Richard Nixon the candidates spoke in language used by 10th-graders. In the debates of Abraham Lincoln and Stephen A. Douglas the scores were respectively 11.2 and 12.0.


    In short, today's political rhetoric is designed to be comprehensible to a 10-year-old child or an adult with a sixth-grade reading level. It is fitted to this level of comprehension because most Americans speak, think and are entertained at this level. This is why serious film and theater and other serious artistic expression, as well as newspapers and books, are being pushed to the margins of American society. Voltaire was the most famous man of the 18th century. Today the most famous "person" is Mickey Mouse.


    In our post-literate world, because ideas are inaccessible, there is a need for constant stimulus. News, political debate, theater, art and books are judged not on the power of their ideas but on their ability to entertain. Cultural products that force us to examine ourselves and our society are condemned as elitist and impenetrable. Hannah Arendt [1] warned that the marketization of culture leads to its degradation, that this marketization creates a new celebrity class of intellectuals who, although well read and informed themselves, see their role in society as persuading the masses that "Hamlet" can be as entertaining as "The Lion King" and perhaps as educational. "Culture," she wrote, "is being destroyed in order to yield entertainment."


    "There are many great authors of the past who have survived centuries of oblivion and neglect," Arendt wrote, "but it is still an open question whether they will be able to survive an entertaining version of what they have to say."


    The change from a print-based to an image-based society has transformed our nation. Huge segments of our population, especially those who live in the embrace of the Christian right and the consumer culture, are completely unmoored from reality. They lack the capacity to search for truth and cope rationally with our mounting social and economic ills. They seek clarity, entertainment and order. They are willing to use force to impose this clarity on others, especially those who do not speak as they speak and think as they think. All the traditional tools of democracies, including dispassionate scientific and historical truth, facts, news, and rational debate, are useless instruments in a world that lacks the capacity to use them.



    As we descend into a devastating economic crisis, one that Barack Obama cannot halt, there will be tens of millions of Americans who will be ruthlessly thrust aside. As their houses are foreclosed, as their jobs are lost, as they are forced to declare bankruptcy and watch their communities collapse, they will retreat even further into irrational fantasy. They will be led toward glittering and self-destructive illusions by our modern Pied Pipers--our corporate advertisers, our charlatan preachers, our television news celebrities, our self-help gurus, our entertainment industry and our political demagogues--who will offer increasingly absurd forms of escapism.


    The core values of our open society, the ability to think for oneself, to draw independent conclusions, to express dissent when judgment and common sense indicate something is wrong, to be self-critical, to challenge authority, to understand historical facts, to separate truth from lies, to advocate for change, and to acknowledge that there are other views, different ways of being, that are morally and socially acceptable, are dying. Obama used hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign funds to appeal to and manipulate this illiteracy and irrationalism to his advantage, but these forces will prove to
    be his most deadly nemesis once they collide with the awful reality that awaits us.
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  8. Bucko43

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    My Dad was a staunch Union loving/company thumping Democrap and my wife is also. Yes, me, a conservative Republican, married to a Democrap. One thing I noticed that they both have in common is neither of them can have a civil discussion with a Republican on politics without getting into a shouting match. They operate completely on emotion, and I decided a long time ago that politics would not be discussed in my house, period.

    When I was a kid my uncles would come to visit (5 of them, all of them conservative Republicans) and they would immediately get my Dad into a heated/red faced discussion over politics. My Dad would fall for it every time because he was SO passionate about what he believed. But my uncles were loving every minute of it because he would always take the bait...
     
  9. gun fitter

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    Kirbythegunsmith and bucko43 seem to get it but really why is it that way with the libs or progressives? Is it indoctrination poor education or actually a deep seated mental illness? I think it's our education system which has it's roots in the early 1900's industrial revolution when the Robber Barons went to the government and told it how to teach so they would have compliant factory workers.
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  10. davidjayuden

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    Interesting questions all. Politics is on a par with religion: It is sometimes a leap of faith that may fail to stand up under logic and scrutiny but even that will not cause the believer to see the light or waver in their beliefs. Their views just feel so right. It is also interesting how siblings can be so rabidly different in so many ways, politically and otherwise, even after growing up under the exact same conditions.
    But as sir Winston said: If you are not liberal at age 20 you were born without a heart. If you are not conservative by age 40 you were born without a brain". Sometimes people evolve from lib. to conservative as they travel thru life. Not so often the other way, but I suppose it does happen.
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  11. halfmile

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    The conclusion I have arrived at is that these are cases of arrested development.

    They are, in addition to kirby's excellent post, convinced that the person who speaks the loudest wins the argument. This is the hallmark of a pubescent teen.

    Many have been raised in fatherless homes, or at the least had fathers that only sparingly worked with the child's development.

    I believe that a portion of these halbstaerke kinder will eventually achieve some sort of maturity, but only when they have to fend for themselves in a real world situation. Sort of like the old adage about atheists and foxholes.

    When the SHTF they will have a tough time.

    HM
     
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