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WHY A BARREL PATTERNS BETTER WITH 8 OR 71/2?

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    HELLO:
    WHY DO SOME SHOTGUN BARRELS PATTERN BETTER WITH DIFFERENT SIZE SHOT? to me, it doesn't make any sense, but it sure seems to happen. i find this to be very strange. the difference between 8's and 71/2 size shot doesn't seem to be that much of a difference.
    steve balistreri
     
  2. hairy

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    I doubt there is a difference.

    Who besides Neil would test this enough to actually prove it?
     
  3. Neil Winston

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    Oh Hairy, have you forgiotten so soon?

    I did test. The link is above.

    And you are right.

    Neil
     
  4. phirel

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    There is a difference on paper between the patterns of 7.5 and 8 shot. When testing 7.5 shot, the holes are slightly larger and the total number of holes is less. If the total number of holes is reduced to a percentage, the difference seems to just disappear.

    Pat Ireland
     
  5. fearlessfain

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    i have been at this game for as long as most and i've never heard of a gun that did not shoot "tight", or handle one load better than another. this sport is all full of theory and conversation and plenty of reasons for missing.
     
  6. EXFDX

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    Sorry, I'm still curious about this even though it may be the all-time most anal question ever asked on this board. And as long as we've drawn Neil out so easily…

    Does anything happen to pellets and/or shot string as the load decelerates back down through the sound barrier? For supersonic loads. I realize this may well be a completely idiotic question and in fact, yes, I think I can hear my village calling for me right now. But just in case there's something to this question, I thought I'd wait for an answer.

    Steve
     
  7. Neil Winston

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    That's an interesting result, Bill. Just a couple of quick questions. How many pellets were in each kind of shell, the 7 1/2's and 8's? How did you know?

    What, in round numbers, were the pattern percentages of each?

    What lead you to decide that it liked Remington more than AA?

    Neil
     
  8. 4andy10

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    I believe it has something to do with the cosmic alignment of all the planets not to mention the space time continum may factor in a bit as well. Yeah, I might not have a glue either but it sure sounds good.
    4andy10
     
  9. over the hill

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    This is something thats bugged me for years. My gun shoots better for me with 71/2 than 8. I shot 8s for years then switched to 71/2 for some reason. Net gain averaged about two targets consistently. Never went back to 8s. Baloney you say? Maybe but it worked fo me..... Gerald
     
  10. Neil Winston

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    Is there any chance, OTH, that you have learned to shoot better and it has nothing to do with the shot you are using? The thing is, unless you are shooting ultra-hard targets, there's no way at singles that fewer pellets can raise your average.

    Long yardage handicap may be a different story, but, again, not necessarily related to "patterning better."

    Neil
     
  11. over the hill

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    Neil...You could be right. I forgot to mention that at the 82 Grand Federal had 23/4 x1oz of 81/2. I shot those at handicap 20-22yd (cant remember what yardage). They shot very well and were soft shooting. I wish i would have bought an extra box to pattern.

    Regardless what I shoot the people and the memories are priceless.

    Gerald
     
  12. Neil Winston

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    And a few years after that, Gerald, Frank Kodl used an ounce of Remington 8 1/2's to win the Clay Target Championship with his 0.710 choked Ljutic.

    All I was pointing out is that when we switch from one thing to another and like the result we never go back to find out if the switch was what really made the difference. No one does. It wouldn't make any sense to.

    Neil
     
  13. Shooting Coach

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    My K-80 is like a pet hog. It likes whatever I feed it. I can only say that long yardage targets break better with 7 1/2's. Go figure it! ;^)
     
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