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Who's up for more Big Government and Union Labor?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Luckyman, Mar 3, 2011.

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  1. Luckyman

    Luckyman Active Member

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    If people that vote for LIBERALS can't see what they are doing to our country than they need to be rounded up and shipped out of this country...Cairo perhaps! I know Bill Ayers likes to hang out there...

    Interesting article! Enjoy!

    A decade ago, when our national debt stood at a “mere” $5.6 trillion, the federal government was already dramatically overpaying its employees to perform all sorts of non-core functions.

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, compensation for the average federal position in 2000 exceeded compensation for the average private sector job by $30,415 – a sizable gap that has since exploded to $61,998. Now the average federal employee’s compensation totals $123,409 – or more than twice the average private sector salary.

    Federal workers have seen their total compensation soar by 36.9 percent since 2000 – after adjusting for inflation. By comparison, private sector compensation has increased by only 8.8 percent.

    Also, in spite of a recession that saw the loss of 8 million private sector jobs there are more federal employees working today – 2.15 million – than ever before.

    In addition to generous salaries, health care coverage and inflation-protected pensions, public sector employees also receive more vacation time, holidays and sick days than their private sector counterparts.

    Needless to say, federal workers have secured much of this largesse thanks to collective bargaining. The same can be said of public school teachers in Milwaukee, Wisconsin – where the average compensation package was recently valued at $100,005.

    But public sector collective bargaining isn’t your typical collective bargaining. In fact, it represents an unnatural perversion of a failed private sector experiment – an unfair tactic that continues to be exploited to the detriment of taxpayers. In fact, only now that a line has been drawn in the sand in Wisconsin (one of dozens of states struggling to balance its budget due to the stranglehold of public sector unions) do we see the true cost to taxpayers coming into focus.

    In the private sector, collective bargaining is ostensibly driven by market forces. Both workers and managers rely on profits, and so negotiations are (in theory, anyway) conducted with the goal of creating a larger pie for everyone to share. Obviously this hasn’t been the objective of union bosses, which is why the free market has largely weeded their unions out of the economy.

    Currently only 7.2 percent of America’s private sector workforce is unionized – down from a World War II-era peak of 33.9 percent. This trend is reversed in the public sector, however, where unions now comprise 36.8 percent of the workforce – up from 9.8 percent in the 1940s.

    Why this dichotomy? One reason is that collective bargaining in the public sector is a self-perpetuating process – one that is rigged to continue funneling benefits to workers regardless of whether those benefits are deserved (or whether the work being performed by these employees is even necessary).

    For example, not only is government in charge of regulating its interaction with the private sector but unlike the private sector, it is funded by a compulsory revenue stream. And with no balanced budget requirement at the federal level, politicians act as if there is a limitless supply of tax dollars with which to continue feeding union demands. Meanwhile state governments continue to be bailed out by the federal government’s borrowed billions – dumping disproportionate percentages of this money into generous employee salaries and benefits while complaining when core services go unfunded.

    Also the structure of collective bargaining in the public sector is fundamentally out-of-balance – which invariably results in unions being represented on both sides of the negotiating table. Not only are union demands voiced by their immediate representatives, they are echoed by numerous bought and paid for politicians (who are supposed to be negotiating on behalf of the taxpayers). Even politicians who are not in the pocket of unions are subject to the political pressure this uniquely powerful special interest can apply.

    Obviously the money extracted during this perverse “bargaining” process must come from somewhere – a reality that even supporters of big government are beginning to acknowledge.

    “Collective bargaining in the public sector serves to reduce benefits for citizens and to raise costs for taxpayers,” writes David C. Crane, a Democrat who serves on the California Board of Regents.

    That is the true war being fought in Wisconsin – and make no mistake that its outcome will go a long way in determining whether government at all levels rids itself of this menace or becomes even more hopelessly enslaved to its demands.
     
  2. Setterman

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    Recent CBS poll showed 60% favor the position of the public employee sector and collective bargaining.

    Of course the poll was taken on the sidewalk outside the SEIU office in New York.
     
  3. Luckyman

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    LOL!!!
     
  4. slipping into darkness

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    Great Post, I'm going to copy and send to some people that can't understand the problem.
     
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    Charley Sheen for President

    Doug H.
    LMAO
     
  6. Luckyman

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    At least with Charlie " What you see is what you get " unlike the majority of politicians that get elected....
     
  7. Luckyman

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    Rasmussen...Good enough for you?
     
  8. rodbuster

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    I see where the cowardly democrats who are hiding in Illinois, are going to get fined $100 per day for their absense. They shoudn't get paid at all for not reporting for work. I assume that the teachers who lied about being sick, when they were protesting, are going to get paid for their time off?
     
  9. gundog

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    What is remarkable is how republicans have shifted the memory of the country to blame public employees and collective bargining for the economic woes of this country. Have you folks forgot about what brought on the downturn in this country. Come on public employee unions do not have the power you are led to believe. Soon they will blame them for the price of gas and many of you will drink that kool aide also.
    Dont run down the working people of this country union members or not they are your neighbors your friends fellow trapshooters and gun owners.
    Many people complain about our goverment you see it on here all the time but when goverment goes after public employees many of you support their attacks.
    Enough said other than to say i support the working class people in this country because none of them are getting rich period!
     
  10. Setterman

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    There are a lot of things pulling us down: Medicare, all these programs that were designed "to help the unfortunate", (which is largely abused and have been expanded so that 5 or 6 programs do the same thing), subsidies, the EPA, OSHA, Taxes, an unusually higher percentage of public employees, and yes....public unions.

    When someone can retire at age 54, and get 75% of their wages, guaranteed by the tax payer (who has no guarantees) something is wrong with the system.

    Many private sector employees lost up to 50% of their 401K value in the last 2 years, so why is the retirement of a public sector employee protected, when the private sector pays his/her wages?

    Public sector employees have taken no additional risk, provided no exceptional or even competitive valued service, or provided exceptional production in their ranks. In fact, it is often proven to be just the opposite.

    So, why are they exempt from sharing the financial pains of the common worker?
     
  11. halfmile

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    Pulldude, I doubt if you have a clue as to what caused the real estate bubble and subsequent collapse.

    It does lie in the lap of one political ideology.

    HM
     
  12. likes-to-shoot

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    LOL @ Ertz's post. Its people like you who makes my day, Thank You. lol
     
  13. halfmile

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    Well, Ertz, did you say or do anything when you witnessed the stuff you mentioned? Not criticizing, just curious.

    HM
     
  14. likes-to-shoot

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    So whats your point? You can't start a new job at the top and you found a job that had a higher paying starting scale. Good for you. Too bad more people can't do the same.

    This is the unions fault? lol There are plenty of non-union jobs that operate by the same principle.
     
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    Ertz, I don't know if you realize it or not but the Non-Union sector also do the same kind of thing. Think about it. I bet if there were no unions the world would be candy canes and snow angels. Can't wait to see that day!
     
  16. Setterman

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    k5, not defensive.....just facts. If you can prove otherwise, please do.
     
  17. Luckyman

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    Whoever said Unions are not the only thing to blame for our fiscal deficits is absolutely right...It's UNIONS + DEMOCRATS = DISASTER FOR AMERICA....This just another example of just another pile of S%!T they have heaped on this country and the American Taxpayer with their politics and policies for Social Justice!!!!! Why are we going to be paying $5.00 a gallon for gas? We don't drill nearly enough...Why? Liberals Environmentalists....Why did the housing bubble happen? Democrats Community Reinvestment Act that allowed people to buy homes with no skin in the game that should have never gotten a loan in the first place..Who came up with this? Jimmy Carter!! So everyone could own a home right??? Who paid the price? The American Taxpayer!!! I can keep pointing to LIBERAL DEMOCRAT POLICES FOR THE LAST 40+ YEARS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHERE WE ARE TODAY ALL DAY LONG!!!!!

    I would suggest to anyone considering joining a Union or voting for a Democrat to move out of the United States!!! There is no place for you here anymore...You want to support Communism? Move to a Communist country! Supporting Democrats and Unions is the same thing...Do it somewhere else!!!
     
  18. likes-to-shoot

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    Well there Luckyman it sounds like you believe in the type of goverment that Hitler and Stalin proposed.

    ITS MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY, the only rights you will have is what I give you.

    GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    P.S. I'm union, want to try to move me out???? Any where any time!!!!!!!
     
  19. Luckyman

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    Your are a dying breed Likes-to-shoot!!!!You and your Unions are going the way of the Dinasauer...We the American taxpayers are wise to the games and have had enough of your sweetheart deals provided by the LOSERS YOU VOTE IN! GRAVY TRAIN IS OVER MY FRIEND!!!!
     
  20. likes-to-shoot

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    Luckyman,,,,,,At least answer this question about what type government you endorse:

    A free one where people have a right to bargain for wages and benefits and can have differant ideas or

    A government where you have no rights and have to live in squander like a person named Luckyman deems necessary? It sounds like you want another Pol Pot in charge to start another Khmer Rouge to do your bidding.
     
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