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Who will be are next president? OPINIONS

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Paladin, Aug 18, 2007.

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  1. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

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    The general election is still 15 months away. In politics, that is an eternity. At the moment, it looks like the only way a repub is elected president is if hitlary wins the demo primary. She has a 48% unfavorable rating, specifically 46% definitely will not and 2% probably will not vote for her. That's unprecedented with a presidential candidate.

    Fred Thompson is starting to look good to me as a candidate.

    Nice wood, by the way. It's a nice addition to the site.
     
  2. Paladin

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    What's with the demo donkey wrapped in an American flag??
     
  3. phirel

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    Neil Winston has already been elected as our next President of the ATA.

    Pat Ireland
     
  4. primed

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    Fred Thompson unless he shoots his hunting buddy in the face.

    Bob
     
  5. revsublime

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    has Fred even tossed his hat in the ring yet?

    But I'm with Paladin...if Hillary wins democrat nomination I see a republican taking it somehow. Not sure who yet...whoever appeals to the least common denominator, that's for sure.
     
  6. W.P.T.

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    If there is such a thing as luck and we gun owners have any it'll be Fred Thompson ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  7. grammie

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    Two thoughts here!!

    1st. The republican party,,and George Bush have done a fine job,,,For mexico,china,saudi arabia,pakistan,india!!!! George opened his mouth to find----his own voice was a weapon of mass destruction for the Republicans---The mid-term elections!!!! One of the best ways to judge the ire of american citizens!!

    2nd. Iran!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If george strikes Iran,,,and makes as much of a mess "economically" as he did "militarily" in Iraq,,,,then a Republcian may as well sit at home,,then to go to the polls,,,,Because,,,it shall be a "sweep" for the Dems!!!!!!!!!

    I think that the chances of a "1st" being pulled off is more than possible,,,and perhaps "likely"!!! The "1st" being---------the first female president,,or perhaps the first black president,,,or perhaps a double 1st!! A woman president,,and a favorite son black vice-president!!!

    There are still some shoes going to hit the floor yet!!! And it will be one of those items that win the presidency..........

    AKA Grammie.........
     
  8. Pony Keg

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    Here is how I told my parents and frineds who is going to be the president and vice president in 2008 three years ago.

    Hillary Clinton, Pres.
    Barack Obama, Vice Pres.

    I truly hope that this proficy is wrong and time will tell. All the cards are falling into place. I am pretty sure that the majority of the Americam people are sheep, present company excluded, and want the the great wonderful american government to take care of them because life is too hard. Higher taxes and big government are what the majority of the people want. America is fast becoming a socialist government.

    Definition: Socialism refers to a broad array of doctrines or political movements that envisage a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation. This control may be either direct—exercised through popular collectives such as workers' councils—or indirect—exercised on behalf of the people by the state. As an economic system, socialism is often characterized by state or community ownership of the means of production.

    The modern socialist movement had its origin largely in the working class movement of the late-19th century. In this period, the term "socialism" was first used in connection with European social critics who criticized capitalism and private property. For Karl Marx, who helped establish and define the modern socialist movement, socialism would be the socioeconomic system that arises after the proletarian revolution where the means of production are owned collectively. This society would then progress into communism.

    A diverse array of doctrines and movements have been referred to as "socialist." Since the 19th century, socialists have not agreed on a common doctrine or program. The various adherents of socialist movements are split into differing and sometimes opposing branches, particularly between reformist socialists and communists.

    Since the 19th century, socialists have differed in their vision of socialism as a system of economic organization. Some socialists have championed the complete nationalization of the means of production, while social democrats have proposed selective nationalization of key industries within the framework of mixed economies. Some Marxists, including those inspired by the Soviet model of economic development, have advocated the creation of centrally planned economies directed by a state that owns all the means of production. Others, including Communists in Yugoslavia and Hungary in the 1970s and 1980s, Chinese Communists since the reform era, and some Western economists, have proposed various forms of market socialism, attempting to reconcile the presumed advantages of cooperative or state ownership of the means of production with letting market forces, rather than central planners, guide production and exchange. Anarcho-syndicalists and some elements of the U.S. New Left favor decentralized collective ownership in the form of cooperatives or workers' councils. Others may advocate different arrangements.

    The Socialist International, the affiliate body for most of the world's social democratic parties, such as the Socialist Party of France, describes socialism as "an international movement for freedom, social justice and solidarity"

    Critics of capitalism
    Main article: Criticisms of capitalism, Anti-capitalism
    Capitalism has met with strong opposition throughout its history. Most of the criticism came from the left, but some from the right, and some from religious elements. Many 19th century conservatives were among the most strident critics of capitalism, seeing market exchange and commodity production as threats to cultural and religious traditions. Some critics of capitalism consider economic regulation necessary in order to reduce corruption, negligence, and a slew of other problems they attribute to free markets.

    Prominent leftist critics have included socialists like Karl Marx, Frantz Fanon, Vladimir Lenin, Mao Zedong, Leon Trotsky, Antonio Gramsci and Rosa Luxemburg and anarchists including Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Mikhail Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin, Emma Goldman, Murray Bookchin, Rudolf Rocker, Noam Chomsky, and others. Movements like the Luddites, Narodniks, Shakers, Utopian Socialists and others have opposed capitalism for various reasons. Marxism has influenced the creation of social democratic and labour parties, which seek change through existing democratic channels instead of revolution. These parties believe that capitalism should be heavily regulated rather than abolished. Many aspects of capitalism have come under attack from the relatively recent anti-globalization movement.

    This is a little reading exercise to know our enemys.

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  9. buzzgun

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    Hillary.


    Her negatives don't matter. The people who are negatively turned off will just stay home. Among those who remain, most will be partisans...and it will all come down to "Turnout."


    And I'm betting, the number of conservatives turned off by the war and immigration, will outnumber the number of liberals turned off by Hillary's shrew-like bitchiness.
     
  10. buzzgun

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    Incidentally - do you know who is the second largest recipient of Healthcare corporation lobbying dollars?

    It's Hillary Clinton, according to Michael Moore. In the hubbub surrounding the relase of his movie "SICKO," I heard an NPR interview where he somewhat lamented her inevitable rise to power, and said he doesn't hold much hope that she will make significant changes to our Healthcare system. He said she's basically been purchased for a price, and is "part of the establishment" now. She got "burned" by _not_ playing ball with corporations before, learned her lesson, and she is not going to make the mistake again with her own political career on the line.

    I'm going to make a prediction - not only will Hillary be president (probably 2 terms), but the liberals will end up being just about as happy with her as Republicans are with George Bush right now.
     
  11. buzzgun

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    Sammie, never happen. Edwards is cutting himself out of the party power structure as we speak. He'll be the Dick Gephardt of '08. In fact, I see him being one of the first to tap out.

    Your words:

    "I don't listen to the media because they are fixated on the 1st woman, 1st black issue cause it sells. Edwards...is self-made and he parents worked for a living. He is a white male and despite political correctness, that means a lot...IF the dems don't start taking clearer stands on issues like the war, illegals and health care etc..."

    Only a UNION schmuck could think like that. Listen to your union leaders as we get a few months closer...you're going to get Hillary...and you're going to get it GOOD and HARD.
     
  12. jakearoo

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    Well, if Hillary is Pres. at least ol' Bubba will get to fly around in AF-1 again. I heard him say once it was the thing he missed most. Jake
     
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    Hillary can't win. No one named Obama will ever be president or VP of the US. Regardless of what Sammie says, Edwards doesn't have the traction to win.

    I believe it will be a Republican with an independent pratform that will have the best chance.

    That could go for a Dem. too but there isn't one in the running that fits that description.
     
  15. buzzgun

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    Barry,

    Ah, so...you think "The Lobbyist" Fred Thompson is going to be the ticket, although you didn't come out and name names?

    Interesting...
     
  16. Barry C. Roach

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    Not at all. I have no particular person in mind. Certainly FT is a good possibility but he appears to be ill and may not be able to run. Did you see him in Iowa? He looked like a man in treatment for cancer. Both yellowish and skinnier than usual.

    I believe the media isn't hyping his health problem because he's "good press" and they don't want to bite the byline that feeds them.

    FT could win though. He is a strong presence and has a chance if the "illness card" improves or goes away.
     
  17. revsublime

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    i just cant see Hillary carrying the Southern vote.
     
  18. Barry C. Roach

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    Hillary could win in Ill., NY and Cal. and Wis. Thank goodness for the electorial college.
     
  19. buzzgun

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    Incidentally - do you know who is the second largest recipient of Healthcare corporation lobbying dollars?

    It's Hillary Clinton, according to Michael Moore. In the hubbub surrounding the relase of his movie "SICKO," I heard an NPR interview where he somewhat lamented her inevitable rise to power, and said he doesn't hold much hope that she will make significant changes to our Healthcare system. He said she's basically been purchased for a price, and is "part of the establishment" now. She got "burned" by _not_ playing ball with corporations before, learned her lesson, and she is not going to make the mistake again with her own political career on the line.

    I'm going to make a prediction - not only will Hillary be president (probably 2 terms), but the liberals will end up being just about as happy with her as Republicans are with George Bush right now.
     
  20. buzzgun

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    Sammie, never happen. Edwards is cutting himself out of the party power structure as we speak. He'll be the Dick Gephardt of '08. In fact, I see him being one of the first to tap out.

    Your words:

    "I don't listen to the media because they are fixated on the 1st woman, 1st black issue cause it sells. Edwards...is self-made and he parents worked for a living. He is a white male and despite political correctness, that means a lot...IF the dems don't start taking clearer stands on issues like the war, illegals and health care etc..."

    Only a UNION schmuck could think like that. Listen to your union leaders as we get a few months closer...you're going to get Hillary...and you're going to get it GOOD and HARD.
     
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