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WHO SHOULD WE BE MAD WITH?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by gdbabin, Oct 28, 2008.

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  1. gdbabin

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    Many in our country are disappointed, disillusioned, untrusting, mad; and some, openly hostile toward our elected officials and those aspiring. Without empirical evidence to back my claim, I'd wager that a majority of Americans fall into this category.


    I often contemplate the seeming uncontrollable monster that is the morass of our national government. This monstrosity seems like a huge renegade asteroid careening around the universe that sneaks up on us just a bit closer every passing revolution ultimately destined to end in our demise.


    What has changed since the seeming purer days of the infancy of our republic when the Constitution more closely governed the actions of our elected leaders? Our guaranteed liberties and governing law have now been manipulated and reinterpreted for us over scores of generations and administrations.


    In many ways we've evolved as a society--in many others, we've stagnated.


    Our country has grown to become the most powerful in the world, exerting influence over other governments and the global economy. We've at times banded together tightly, without regard for personal well being to suppress national threats. We've solved many socio-economic problems over our history resulting in a more affluent and ultimately fair environment to support our cherished preamble:


    "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."



    With that said, we have yet so much to grow.


    The divisive rhetoric of this campaign makes me sick. It's more than pure rhetoric; it's more accurately coupled to pure hate, prejudice, lies, deceit.


    This affliction is not the sole possession of the left, or right. It permeates so much of everything we hear, read and see regardless of affiliation. Our fellow citizens, our friends, associates, neighbors, media and elected leaders.


    Instead of being mad at our government, we should be ashamed and infuriated at ourselves. It reminds me of the terrible divisiveness of the sixties, just worse with the threats of religious extremism thrown in.


    Then it was hawk vs. dove; segregation vs. civil rights; war over peace; Democrat commie vs. Republican warmonger. Riots in America's cities both north and south. It was murdered students, the prey of our National Guard. Racial lynchings. Assassinations of black and white leaders alike.


    Then we were at a crossroads.


    Americans wanted change. That's how John Kennedy was elected at 43 years of age the second youngest and first Catholic ever. Why Richard Nixon was elected following the rein of the democrats during the Viet Nam era.


    Today we are again at a crossroads.


    Similar to the turbulent sixties, we have our hawks and doves. Civil rights laws are on the books, but the prejudice remains. Get out of Iraq immediately, or stay until the war is won. Republican patriot, or Democratic traitor? Take from the wealthy to help subsidize social need, or wait for the wealth to seep down? Talk of disorder in the streets. Socialism vs. free market; fear, hatred, lies, polarization, slander and all the rest.


    We've been here before unfortunately as sadly we've not grown over the last fifty years. I suspect this thing is beyond anyone's control as after all, who has the might to change the trajectory of a hurtling asteroid?


    I can control how I act and relate to others. I'll work hard to do that correctly and with honor. The truth is, any cause of one is doomed to obscurity. That's exactly why we need leaders. Hopefully we will get one this time regardless of politics.


    Guy Babin
     
  2. markdenis

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    As long as the American people views voting as a duty, like they do now, instead of an informed right they will continue to elect corrupt trash in office year after year.

    Mark Rounds
     
  3. chessney

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    We should be mad with our current administration.We should be glad that Obama will change that...Ziggy
     
  4. H82MIS

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    The Master-baiter has spoken,,,,,,

    Hi zig you ol scum dog,,how ya been?

    We haven't harassed each other in quite some time,,,jim
     
  5. chessney

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    I prefer Master Caster....Zig
     
  6. H82MIS

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    I had a neighbor by the name of Caster,,,is that what your into???
     
  7. nipper

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    This is going to be one, if not the biggest turn-out of voters in any election

    Bill
     
  8. TEXASZEPHYR

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    I think Guys post hit the nail on the head. It is time to put aside personal wants and try to do what is best for all, not just one self. It is a sad day that we do not actually know about out candidates, except what we are told, or what is preached at us thru informed and uninformed persons. It's hard to make a really sane, logical, choice when logic has gone astray.I just pray that whatever the outcome of this election, We as a people will be strong enough to survive. God bless us and watch over each and every one of us. I know Ive made up my mind, I hope everyone else does too, at least before next tuesday.

    Bob W
     
  9. stokinpls

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    "If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth. And this idea that government is beholden to the people, that it has no other source of power except to sovereign people, is still the newest and most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man.

    This is the issue of this election. Whether we believe in our capacity for self- government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.

    "You and I are told increasingly that we have to choose between a left or right, but I would like to suggest that there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down –– up to man's age-old dream, the ultimate in individual freedom consistent with law and order –– or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.

    "[Socialism] doesn't require expropriation or confiscation of private property or business to impose socialism on a people. What does it mean whether you hold the deed or the title to your business or property if the government holds the power of life and death over that business or property? Such machinery already exists. The government can find some charge to bring against any concern it chooses to prosecute. Every businessman has his own tale of harassment. Somewhere a perversion has taken place.

    Our natural, inalienable rights are now considered to be a dispensation of government, and freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp as it is at this moment.

    "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on Earth, or we will sentence them to take the last step into a thousand years of darkness."

    Ronald Reagan..1964
     
  10. JBrooks

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    Nonsense Guy, this is not my fault nor is the fault of any thinking person. Our Country has been under constant assault from the morally and ethically bankrupt Left since the '60's culminating in a Marxist running for President. I blame the anti-Amrerican traitors exemplified by John Kerry anhd Jane Fonda and I blame the scum that has taken over the Mainstream Media.

    They have pandered to the ever rapidly increasing underclass of non-productive leeches that will vote for whoever promises them a big, free "piece of the pie". If you want to blame yourself because it makes you feel self-righteous to do so, be my guest but don't drag the rest of us into your wallow of self flagellation.
     
  11. JBrooks

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    Barack Obama laughs off charges of socialism. Joe Biden scoffs at references to Marxism. Both men shrug off accusations of liberalism.

    But Obama himself acknowledges that he was drawn to socialists and even Marxists as a college student. He continued to associate with Marxists later in life, even choosing to launch his political career in the living room of a self-described Marxist, William Ayers, in 1995, when Obama was 34.

    Obama's affinity for Marxists began when he attended Occidental College in Los Angeles.

    "To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully," the Democratic presidential candidate wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father." "The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists."

    Obama's interest in leftist politics continued after he transferred to Columbia University in New York. He lived on Manhattan's Upper East Side, venturing to the East Village for what he called "the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."
     
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