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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Rick Barker, Nov 6, 2012.

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  1. Rick Barker

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    A question was put to me, what is it with conservatives, why do they not want change.

    So, in response to that, I have pulled definitions of 5 political belief systems we see in today's lexicon.

    Read each of the explanations, you might be surprised by some of them.

    I have provided explanations from Wikipedia, Bing's online dictionary and Websters.

    Each is posted in a separate thread below.

    I say that as a conservative, I do not believe in making changes, just for the sake of making change and while change is good, it should be carefully thought out and not thrown together like Obamacare was.

    Change that is reckless is not what I want in change
     
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    Liberalism

    a; progressive views: a belief in tolerance and gradual reform in moral, religious, or political matters

    b; political theory stressing individualism: a political ideology with its beginnings in western Europe that rejects authoritarian government and defends freedom of speech, association, and religion, and the right to own property

    c; free-market economics: an economic theory in favor of free competition and minimal government regulation. (Bing)

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    a) a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity

    b) a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard

    c) a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically: such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class) (Webster's)

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    Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on the ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and a right to life, liberty, and property. (Wikipedia)
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    American Liberalism

    Modern American liberalism includes Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, John F. Kennedy's New Frontier, and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society.

    It combines social liberalism with support for social justice and a mixed economy. American liberal causes include voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care. Modern liberalism stands in opposition to Conservatism in the United States on most issues, but its relationship to progressivism is debated.

    Keynesian economic theory has played a central role in the economic philosophy of modern American liberals The argument has been that national prosperity requires government management of the macro economy, to keep unemployment low, inflation in check, and growth high.

    Modern American liberals value institutions that defend against economic inequality., The Conscience of a Liberal (2007) p. 267, "I believe in a relatively equal society, supported by institutions that limit extremes of wealth and poverty. I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I'm proud of it." They point to the widespread prosperity enjoyed under a mixed economy in the years since World War II.

    They believe liberty exists when access to necessities like health care, handouts of money, and opportunity are available to all, and they champion the protection of the environment. Modern American liberalism is typically associated with the Democratic Party.

    How voters identify themselves has been fairly stable over the last two decades. As of August 2011, 19% of American voters identify themselves as liberals, 38% as moderates and 41% as conservatives. In 1992, 18% identified as liberal, 40% as moderates and 35% as conservative.
    (Wikipedia)
     
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    Conservatism

    a) reluctance to accept change;:unwillingness or slowness to accept change or new ideas


    b)right-wing political viewpoint: a right-of-center political philosophy based on a tendency to support gradual rather than abrupt change and to preserve the status quo

    c) desire to preserve current societal structure: an ideology that views the existing form of society as worthy of preservation

    (Bing)

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    a: the principles and policies of a Conservative party

    b: the Conservative party

    2a: disposition in politics to preserve what is established

    b: a political philosophy based on tradition and social stability, stressing established institutions, and preferring gradual development to abrupt change; specifically: such a philosophy calling for lower taxes, limited government regulation of business and investing, a strong national defense, and individual financial responsibility for personal needs (as retirement income or health-care coverage)

    3: the tendency to prefer an existing or traditional situation to change (Webster's)

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    Conservatism (Latin: conservare, "to retain") is a political and social philosophy that promotes retaining traditional social institutions. A person who follows the philosophies of conservatism is referred to as a traditionalist or conservative.

    Some conservatives seek to preserve things as they are, emphasizing stability and continuity, while others oppose modernism and seek a return to "the way things were". The first established use of the term in a political context was by François-René de Chateaubriand in 1819, following the French Revolution. The term, historically associated with right-wing politics, has since been used to describe a wide range of views.

    Edmund Burke, an Anglo-Irish politician who served in the British House of Commons and opposed the French Revolution, is credited as one of the founders of conservatism in Great Britain. According to Hailsham, a former chairman of the British Conservative Party, "Conservatism is not so much a philosophy as an attitude, a constant force, performing a timeless function in the development of a free society, and corresponding to a deep and permanent requirement of human nature itself." (Wikipedia)
     
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    Communism

    classless political system: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society (Bing)

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    1a: a theory advocating elimination of private property
    b: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed
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    a: a doctrine based on revolutionary Marxian socialism and Marxism-Leninism that was the official ideology of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
    b: a totalitarian system of government in which a single authoritarian party controls state-owned means of production
    c: a final stage of society in Marxist theory in which the state has withered away and economic goods are distributed equitably
    d: communist systems collectively (Websters)

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    Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless, and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

    This movement, in its Marxist–Leninist interpretations, significantly influenced the history of the 20th century, which saw intense rivalry between the "socialist world" (socialist states ruled by communist parties) and the "western world" (countries with capitalist economies).
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    Progressivism

    beliefs of progressives: the beliefs and practices of progressives

    beliefs and practices of progressive education: the theories and practices of progressive education

    Synonyms: liberalism, reformism, modernism, radicalism, leftism

    (Bing)


    1a: one that is progressive

    b: one believing in moderate political change and especially social improvement by governmental action


    2capitalized: a member of any of various United States political parties: as

    a: a member of a predominantly agrarian minor party that around 1912 split off from the Republicans; specifically: BULL MOOSE

    b: a follower of Robert M. La Follette in the presidential campaign of 1924

    c: a follower of Henry A. Wallace in the presidential campaign of 1948 (Websters)

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    American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose the growing influence of corporations.

    Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system.

    In the United States, liberals and progressives are often conflated, and in general are the primary voters of the Democratic Party which has a "large tent" policy, combining similar if not congruent ideologies into large voting blocs.

    Many progressives also support the Green Party or local parties such as the Vermont Progressive Party. In Canada, liberals usually support the national Liberal Party while progressives usually support the New Democratic Party, which traditionally has had provincial electoral success in Manitoba, Saskatchewan, British Columbia, and since the recent federal election, in Quebec. (Wikipedia)
     
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    Libertarianism

    advocate of individual responsibility: somebody who believes in the doctrine of free will

    advocate of individual freedom: somebody who believes in the principle that people should have complete freedom of thought and action (Bing)

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    1: an advocate of the doctrine of free will

    a person who upholds the principles of individual liberty especially of thought and action

    b capitalized: a member of a political party advocating libertarian principles

    — libertarianadjective

    — lib•er•tar•i•an•ism \-e-?-?ni-z?m\noun (Websters)

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    The group of political philosophies that advocates minimizing coercion and emphasizes freedom, liberty, and voluntary association. Libertarians generally advocate a society with significantly less government compared to most present day societies.


    There is no general consensus on the precise definition of libertarianism. The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy defines libertarianism as the moral view that agents initially fully own themselves and have certain moral powers to acquire property rights in external things.


    George Woodcock, author of a history of libertarianism, defines it as the philosophy that fundamentally doubts authority and advocates transforming society by reform or revolution.


    Libertarian philosopher Roderick Long defines libertarianism as "any political position that advocates a radical redistribution of power from the coercive state to voluntary associations of free individuals", whether "voluntary association" takes the form of the free market or of communal co-operatives

    According to the U.S. Libertarian Party, libertarianism is the advocacy of a government that is funded voluntarily and limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. (Wikipedia)
     
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    Marxism


    1. Marx's theories: the political and economic theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, in which class struggle is a central element in the analysis of social change in Western societies

    2. politics based on Marx's theories: political ideology based on the theories of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels

    Synonyms: communism, socialism, Marxism, Stalinism, Leninism, communalism, syndicalism, anarcho-syndicalism, Maoism (Bing)

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    : the political, economic, and social principles and policies advocated by Marx; especially: a theory and practice of socialism including the labor theory of value, dialectical materialism, the class struggle, and dictatorship of the proletariat until the establishment of a classless society (Websters)

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    According to Marxist analysis, class conflict within capitalism arises due to intensifying contradictions between highly-productive mechanized and socialized production performed by the proletariat, and private ownership and private appropriation of the surplus product in the form of surplus value (profit) by a small minority of private owners called the bourgeoisie.

    As the contradiction becomes apparent to the proletariat, social unrest between the two antagonistic classes intensifies, culminating in a social revolution.

    The eventual long-term outcome of this revolution would be the establishment of socialism - a socioeconomic system based on cooperative ownership of the means of production, distribution based on one's contribution, and production organized directly for use.

    Karl Marx hypothesized that, as the productive forces and technology continued to advance, socialism would eventually give way to a communist stage of social development.

    Communism would be a classless, stateless, moneyless society based on common ownership and the principle of "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs".
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    midalake

    I cut and pasted on this one, so I could not type very slowly so you could understand it.

    If you have problems with any of the words over three letters, let me or someone know and we will try to explain them to you.
     
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    Rick...

    Thanks for this post. It's a good review for all of us.

    I don't know about the rest of you, but the first thing I notice is that liberals and communists may tend to stray more from their ideals as defined above than do conservatives. But, a couple of the 'ideals' of liberalism would seem to resonate with conservatives... such as 'individualism' and 'free markets.'

    Do you think these definitions are consistent with how we view liberals, conservatives, etc., or how they actually behave?

    Can these definitions fully represent the huge variation within (NOT between) today's political parties, not to mention how people seem to use the words 'conservative' or 'liberal'? Both of these words are 'loaded' with meaning well beyond the dictionary definitions. For example, when you folks call me a liberal I don't think you're referring to my beliefs so much as expressing dislike. lol! Likewise, many liberals also regularly use the term 'conservative' in a derogatory way.

    And when it comes to behavior, are the ideologies stated above consistent with the behaviors of the groups? Liberals actually seem more likely to sacrifice certain individual freedoms/rights in supposed return of security (eg. gun control) than conservatives...so, not too consistent with the definition. Communists do a very poor job of redistributing wealth equally....very inconsistent.

    Conservatives may be the most consistent with their definition as listed above.

    Again... good post, Rick.
    Mark T.
     
  10. Rick Barker

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    Thank you Mark.
     
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    Thanks for the post Rick. I needed a review myself, even though I'm proud to admit, I'm a conservative. Thanks. Charlie
     
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    Yes, and I was labeled a 'Traditionalist' when I lived in Philly for a while.
     
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    Capitalism: If you make money, you keep it. If you lose money, you live with that debt. Freedom means the freedom to fail as well as succeed and the responsibility to live with that failure.

    Socialism (Communism): If you make money, it is taxed away to benefit society. If you lose money, society is taxed to cover the losses.

    Fascism: If you make money, you keep it. If you lose money, society is taxed to cover the losses.

    After decades of taxpayer bailouts to cover banker failures going back to the S&L debacle of the 1980s, it is clear which system the United States is currently operating under, and indeed Lenin himself predicted that when Capitalism failed, in inevitably would turn fascistic. Mussolini commented that Fascism more right should be called corporatism, as it is the alignment of corporate and government power against the general population. (Citizens of the EU should also take note of the above.)

    Otherwise, this author is correct. This election will not alter the ultimate doom of the United States. Only whose name history will record as helming the ship of state as it slips beneath the waves.

    Also a c&p. Not the way I would want it to be but thought provoking nonetheless.
     
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