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Where do you hold on the Trap house

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 870compman, Oct 2, 2011.

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  1. 870compman

    870compman TS Member

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    I have been told holding a high gun lessens the gun movement which allows a person to be more accrate and break more targets. My problem is when I shoot a high gun at the 16 yard targets and the target goes out under my barrel I will miss because I loose sight of the target for that short peroid of time.

    When I hold a low gun,(just at the top of the Trap house) I am able to better see the full flight of the target. I get better scores shooting a low gun.

    Dale Wolff
     
  2. Phil Kiner

    Phil Kiner Well-Known Member

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    Hold where it works best for you.

    There is not one perfect hold point for everyone.
     
  3. cottondoctor

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    Listen to Phil Kiner -
     
  4. GW22

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    Dale:

    I've been experimenting extensively with various hold points over the last few months. One important question is whether you are a one-eyed shooter, a two-eyed shooter (or a "1-1/2 eyed" shooter -- using tape or dots).

    If you shoot strictly one-eyed, then you're right -- holding a high gun can be very difficult to get used to. But if you shoot with two-eyes, or with tape/dots, then all you need to do for a high gun is move your hold point 10-18" to the right on each post (assuming you're right-handed). That gets your barrel out of the way and gives your left eye a "preview" of where the target is headed. This is true even if you keep your eyes and soft focus above the barrel -- because your peripheral vision still sees the bird. A side-benefit of holding rightward, is that many right-handers can move left more smoothly and precisely than they move right. So "cheating right" helps you on those hard right angles without hurting you on the hard lefts.

    Finally, experiment with everything, but settle on what works best for YOU. Do not marry yourself to what any one "Big Dog" shooter says, because many of them have sharply conflicting styles (Kiner and Campbell, for example, advocate extremely different vertical hold points). I made the mistake of marrying myself to Rudy Etchen's style for years. After all, who could disagree with anything Rudy Etchen said? The guy was a living legend. And yet the single most significant and immediate improvement in scores I've ever enjoyed came the weekend I completely abandoned Etchen's hold points and did the opposite. The point is, you have to do what works for YOU.

    Good luck.

    -Gary
     
  5. ColtM1911A1

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    Ditto, Phil Kiner. There is nothing written in stone regarding hold points. What works best for you is simply what works for you. Let your scores be your guide on where to hold....cya
     
  6. Pull & Mark

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    Ditto on what Phil said as well. Now remember what works for you now, may be fine tuned at a later date. So as your shooting improves so can your hold points, gun movements, stance, mental game. Well you get the picture. Good Luck and break em all. Jeff
     
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    Right on, Phil!.....I hold where Britt Robinson told me to...probably wouldn't work for anybody else...
     
  8. X Trap 2

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    Since you asked "Where do you hold on the Trap House" I will answer.

    I hold on the front edge. I want to see it as soon as possible.
     
  9. DanLee

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    I'm a two-eyed shooter. For 16 yard trap, I hold a foot or so above the house. For wobble, I hold at the base of the house because holding high means I'll never get down fast enough to get the skimmers.

    Dan
     
  10. Shooter R

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    Where you hold, and how you hold, and where you look, and how you move, to where your looking, may eventually decide how far you get in this game. In my opinion.
     
  11. oleolliedawg

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    Several factors help determine proper hold points. Target height, your guns impact and visibility enter into the picture. Sometimes it's best if you vary your hold points slightly until your break quality improves. Another day and all previous bets are off!!
     
  12. Traders

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    In discussing hold points, every comment seems to deal with height above the house. Little has said about the horizontal position of the barrel relative to the house. Since ATA rules allow for various house sizes from left to right, except for position #3, shooters can't depend on the corners of the house for guidance.

    How far left or right of center is your hold point.
     
  13. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Myself, I hold on the far edge of the roof, and if I'm on stand one I'll hold on the left edge. Center on center. Right on right.

    For doubles, once I see a pair from each station, I'll hold way up for the first bird. I can get away with that since the flight path is predictable. This gives me more time for the second bird.
     
  14. Old Cowboy

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    Center of the roof on all stations, works for me.

    John C. Saubak
     
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    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    That's why they call you "jackrabbit" John Saubak lol
     
  16. Old Cowboy

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    could be??

    They can call me whatever they want as long as they play the options....
     
  17. vpr80

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    Had a Top Single, could not hold above the house because I never saw the birds come out. Got an Unsingle and now hold 1' above the house. Two different guns and both worked better with different holds. I like the high hold with the unsingle better, I now have a bit less movement and have quicker shots.
     
  18. Hap MecTweaks

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    It can change during a round.

    Hap
     
  19. 1atatime

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    Diffrent traps throw different heights and wind can effect flights.

    I try to hold about a quarter or third of the distance between the top of the trap and the height of the target. If the birds are high, the hold is higher than if they are flying low. If they are really low, I may hold below the front edge of the trap. If really high, perhaps a couple of feet above.

    I think I got that from Frank Little about 25 years ago.
     
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    When shooting in low light conditions, I hold about 1 to 2 feet above the house. This really seems to help me pick up birds that I would normally struggle with in these conditions. I try to just move the gun horizontally. In normal daylight I hold in a lower position, but still above the house. This comes from a Campbell dvd. Bill Wheeler
     
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